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aliens and

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tonight the first time we're gonna try

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this out see how it works

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hell yeah we've got uh we got terry

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loveless with us

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oh yeah dude terry man how you doing

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brother

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couldn't be better thanks pleasure to be

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back with you guys awesome man

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awesome hey you know first off man

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before we even

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we even kicked this off man yeah we just

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wanted to say thank you so much for uh

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giving us a little shout out in your new

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book man

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that's good hey you guys deserve it oh

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man thank you man i i'll tell you what

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man when we started this thing two years

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i wouldn't i would have never thought

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we'd be next to some of the names that

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we were next to

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in that book so that's pretty awesome

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yeah well you guys have had some

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great content well thank you very much

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man

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thank you we've been uh you know we've

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just been uh we've been keeping our eyes

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and ears open man for for awesome people

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and uh and it seems to be working out

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all right

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and there's a lot going on in the world

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right now there absolutely is man there

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absolutely is we got you

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we got your book on display back there

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in the background for everybody to see

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it's a little out of focus but can you

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see it oh yeah

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the red one yes there's a little there's

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a little uh

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gnome back there that uh uh is

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it's kind of like our book stand

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yes all right love you all right there

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we go

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so those of you who uh if you can't see

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the book back there that's

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uh terry loveless new book uh incident

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of devil's din

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the reckoning uh terry man

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the book was awesome it was awesome

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thank you thank you i was thinking to

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myself how is he going to top the first

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one because i loved the first one so

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much if y'all haven't read the first one

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internet devil's dead

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it's amazing uh but you did it man you

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did it

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thank you thank you so much yes yes i

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love all the extra detail

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and the extra stories and stuff like

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that that you went into

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um and yeah man i i can uh

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writing that first book what was your

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what was your thought process you

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one but what was your thought process on

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i'm gonna tell my story to these people

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and uh how much should i should i tell

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i mean what was that like you know i i

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out where i had the encounter with betty

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because i sent it to the editor and i

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believe this you know

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it's it's it's out there yeah and my

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editor's like

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man you got you got a real story you're

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the real deal

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he said leave it in and i'm glad i did

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and to go back to writing prose was a

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well dude you're such a good writer like

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similar experiences it's probably

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refreshing to to read about

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the fact that you're so open about a lot

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of these experiences man

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yeah i cracked 700 emails yesterday from

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wow man you know and they they deserve a

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lot of credit because they i got 30 cool

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stories that i collected from them

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in the back of the book uh-huh yeah yeah

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that that that portion of the book is

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pretty lengthy man

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yeah it's all about a third of the book

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or more yeah yeah it's good stuff

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well hey before we get too too deep in

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into this man

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uh how you been what have you been up to

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couldn't be better you know what i've

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been doing i've been doing the good

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learning i've been doing podcasts

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oh yeah i uh i wanted to try my own so

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uh four episodes i think out of uh

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devil's den

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podcast yes yes you know the problem i

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got is uh

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you guys have ufo in your name and i

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need to i need to change my name because

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i got devil's den

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and there's about 10 000 bars and

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motorcycle clubs in this country named

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devil's den

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for search engine optimization i'm kind

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of kind of uh

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not in a good place but well you know if

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it makes you feel any better

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uh before we started really rolling with

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the podcast if you

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looked up ufo garage um it was like

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these russian guys that built crazy

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tanks with flamethrowers on it and stuff

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google it and you find that that's

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that's not us but it's still very

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awesome and you should totally watch it

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i'll do that i'll do that yeah it's

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pretty neat but yeah you see your

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podcast uh

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you've been doing stuff with aaron

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montgomery yes

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she's she's super awesome she's so old

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yeah i met her at roswell in 2018

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uh the same year i published incident at

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devil's den

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and we kind of hit it off we uh we work

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good like you guys so you know

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ben and joe you guys work together and

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yeah it kind of works for us yeah

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definitely and it's a lot to uh

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it seems like i've never done it but it

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seems like it's a lot of pressure to

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it's always good to have somebody to

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bounce ideas off of and

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you know just kind of i think so choose

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to mess with

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for sure yeah because when i'm sitting

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there what am i going to say next you

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it's nice to have somebody there for

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backup somebody's got my back

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yeah yeah it's like like trying to leave

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a message for somebody and you like

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really care about what you're going to

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hey just just want to tell you like uh

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i've i've been thinking about you yeah

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you know it never mattered

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and then yeah awkward i tried uh calling

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think about ufos and aliens and are they

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here and i tried to like you know really

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know my stuff and i called in this radio

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station it was one of those things where

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you leave a message

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and they would play it live and i got

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i like didn't listen to the radio

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yeah yeah seemed like a good idea at the

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so i'm glad we yeah having somebody to

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uh and and to help pick up that slack is

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yeah dude i've always thought about

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george nori or something like that and

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just chatting but i feel like as soon as

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but george is a laid back dude you know

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he's a cool guy so

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yeah yeah he is he is chill he has that

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yeah yeah he's not like old-school art

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yeah that's cool have you all ever had

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like being from the the same city no

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and stuff like that you

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you enjoy doing it i do i do it you know

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it's a challenge to be on the other side

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i'm used to being the guest and i feel

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of being a guest and i don't have any

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control being a host

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right because i don't know what they're

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yeah yeah well yeah you know we we uh

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dave scott told us something really cool

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if if you're flying an airplane you know

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the pilot or is it the navigator you

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if you're the host of the show who are

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you are you the pilot or are you the

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should be the navigator and he's like

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that's right you know like

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the pilot's the guy that's flying the

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thing but you as the navigator are the

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one who's

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who's you know directing where the show

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you let your guests kind of be the pilot

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the big shot the guy who's like you know

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the face you know and so i've always

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kind of like took that to heart after he

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yeah that's right we're not pilots dude

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we're we're navigators we gotta

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uh we gotta navigate where we want this

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thing to go so

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that was dave scott's idea yeah it may

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have been somebody's previous to

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to him but but i think that's a great

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analogy man i really do i agree with

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looked at it in a in a completely

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a completely different light you know so

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yeah

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of

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devil's den and damn near almost got

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lost uh two weeks ago and i'm telling

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you man it was

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it was pretty spooky uh we went spooky

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place

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i had just like i had chills the whole

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time

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uh i went with my wife and her little

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sister she

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she goes to college there and i honestly

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didn't i'm so bad at geography

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that i didn't realize that we were going

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like right next to

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you know fayetteville's right next to

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devil's den yeah and uh

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so i passed the sign i posted uh on the

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facebook i'm like hey

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uh totally planned this

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but like yeah we we went on a hike and

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luckily they have those little

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reflectors on the trees uh because

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what we thought where we thought we were

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going we did not end up

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at all we found uh you know and i was

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telling everybody like hey

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so um i i know that my buddy went

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my buddy my buddy terry loveless went to

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uh devil's den

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and he said he found this uh kind of

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guarded off path

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that led to this this meadow so be on

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the lookout for guarded off paths

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and meadows so it would be it would have

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been awesome to find it but

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in a chain that says do not enter that

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yes

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you know but it's still there it's still

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there as of uh well as of two months ago

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really yeah yeah you know what you can

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find it on google earth

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yeah you sent us i think yeah you sent

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us like an over uh

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uh a bird's-eye view of that that uh

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google earth uh yeah and the guy blew up

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the image

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and was able to find the chain across

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the road

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whoa what that's cool

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that is awesome yeah it's cool that's

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still just a dirt road yeah

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wow so man i mean i don't know if we

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ever got anywhere close to where you

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were

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or or whatever but man it was beautiful

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there was like these

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uh canyons little uh i don't even know

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what you would call them but you would

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be walking along the path and all of a

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sudden you'd see these

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big huge dark tunnels that would go

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under

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the ground little uh caverns uh that

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were like 80 foot tall like

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it was pretty spooky and you could feel

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the cool air coming out from the cave i

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guess that it that it led to

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but uh yeah man it was it was a pretty

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cool pretty cool place i could see why

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you would want to camp there i mean it's

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beautiful i mean don't get me wrong but

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uh definitely had some some chills on my

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my arms when i was there well you knew

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where not to go

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so that's important yeah yeah yeah

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oh man well i've never been back i'm

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thinking i might want to go one day you

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know i don't know

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yeah yeah man yeah i want to go with you

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you know dude it's it's it's wild

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because uh

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you know as you know we're doing this

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little documentary with eric mitchell

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and we did some

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filming in the location of

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where all this happened and

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man he was such a trooper like he was he

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was so

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he was he was he was really good about

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it but

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he was definitely very tense

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like it was a very tense moment um

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and you know it's it's you could you

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could see it like

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he just got white as a ghost and

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it was just it was just wild because we

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had this little drone

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that we were using as well and you know

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he's standing like in front of his old

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apartment

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and looking at this thing fly around him

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and

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you could just man in the in the video

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you can see it on his face he's just

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like

389
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this is bringing back a lot of memories

390
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so we try to make it a pretty quick

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little visit and and shot and stuff like

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that but he was he was a trooper about

393
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it but you know he

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he did it and he did it yeah it was

395
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really neat

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so you know that might be that might be

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something that you know for your own

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like just

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personal like satisfaction to just

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maybe not go there but go to that

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area and just i don't know just take it

402
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in

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you know next june 11th will be the 45th

404
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anniversary

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[Music]

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so that's just kind of like begging for

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a visit i mean that's like

408
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that's a good number man i don't know i

409
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think you guys got cameras

410
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yes we do have cameras dude you got a

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drone

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up there dude we'll take some pictures

413
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take some take some video you know what

414
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i'd like to do

415
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and what we need is a night vision

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camera

417
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yeah yeah yeah you've been talking about

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that actually

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getting some night vision lenses and a

420
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couple couple cameras and stuff

421
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yes i got a buddy who lives in new york

422
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his name is doug

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ald uh he's an amazing artist

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and he uh he's in the back of the

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reckoning he wrote the play

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uh hip nada uh musical

427
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um but he's got a night vision

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uh scope hooked up to a camera

429
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and takes pictures like one every 15

430
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minutes or something

431
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from the top of a high-rise uh in uh

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well not new york city but just across

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jersey city or somewhere close you know

434
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on a tall building right

435
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yeah so there's no light pollution and

436
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he gets some

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crazy stuff dang i bet

438
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man what do you think about the the

439
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latest

440
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stuff coming out the the night vision

441
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triangle pyramid kind of thing have you

442
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seen that

443
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i saw that and that is crazy stuff yeah

444
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so i mean any correlation there is that

445
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is that kind of the same shape

446
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i mean i i we we in your story i mean

447
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i'd love for you to maybe go over your

448
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story a little bit for people that

449
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:44,320
haven't heard but is that

450
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a similar does did that uh make you

451
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think of anything that you maybe have

452
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seen before

453
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because i mean you can't really tell the

454
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size it could be a walmart size

455
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is the one that you saw that's true or

456
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it could be tiny you just really don't

457
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have a reference for it

458
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,600
yeah no you know that didn't that didn't

459
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ring any bells at all because it's a

460
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it's an actual geometric pyramid

461
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and what i saw was just a triangle but

462
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it was deep

463
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uh and anybody listening that wants to

464
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see a picture of it i did um

465
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a drawing in 1977 contemporaneous with

466
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the event

467
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of the thing and it's on at

468
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terrylovelace.com

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and you can you can see uh the picture

470
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that i drew of it

471
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um but yeah but it wasn't a flying

472
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pyramid i had never seen such a thing i

473
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thought that was wild

474
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i went back and forth with joe last week

475
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about it

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i just couldn't see the pyramid shape i

477
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couldn't see the three-dimensional shape

478
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i don't know what it is i think i have a

479
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red green deficiency and i can't see

480
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certain shades of green when it's yeah

481
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whatever but

482
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all i saw was a triangle so i mean

483
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that's why i was curious to know like

484
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did

485
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obviously saw like a three dimension to

486
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it

487
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yeah i could see you know i'm kind of

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colorblind in a lot of shades but

489
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uh um i must be okay with green because

490
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i could see the three

491
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the three dimensions in it clearly yeah

492
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i feel the same way like i could see i

493
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feel like i could see that dimension

494
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to the object or i mean whatever it was

495
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you know

496
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um man one of the things that i found

497
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interesting about this whole thing

498
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though is you know there's there's

499
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there's a few videos floating around out

500
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there where there's like a pyramid like

501
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over the pentagon or there's like a a

502
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pyramid

503
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over like moscow and you know it's

504
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always like

505
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you know it's either a project blue beam

506
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or it's it's

507
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it's cgi and now we have this

508
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actual video so supposedly being

509
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confirmed

510
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um that's a pyramid and so that kind of

511
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makes me think like okay well

512
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is is is that stuff cgi now or did

513
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some actual people really catch that on

514
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their cell phone you know because well

515
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you know

516
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and that was released by the department

517
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of defense through the us navy and

518
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blessed by department of naval

519
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intelligence so

520
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you know i don't know what if it's cgi

521
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i'd be curious why they would want to

522
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:06,480
deceive us like that

523
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:08,799
yeah it's it's a it's a strange thing

524
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man i i did see an

525
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article on how certain cameras

526
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uh that have a a

527
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triangular iris on them if if they're

528
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closed at like a certain degree

529
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of some some kind depending on the light

530
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that's coming in yeah you actually see

531
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the inside of it right well you can

532
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actually

533
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it'll make triangles like you can take

534
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pictures of stars and the stars will be

535
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triangles and like people do that for

536
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like artsy photos

537
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um yeah so it kind of made me wonder

538
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like man what is that because

539
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:46,480
the the blinking of it made me

540
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suspicious

541
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um but you know there's just not enough

542
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:51,919
evidence either way to really

543
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like kind of formulate like an educated

544
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opinion on it it'd have to be a lot a

545
00:19:00,870 --> 00:18:58,320
lot of digging that

546
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:00,880
that goes into it for me to make that

547
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:02,640
time i would have liked to seen it come

548
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,360
into frame

549
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:05,039
and leave the frame i'd like to have

550
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:06,720
seen you know an aircraft in the

551
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background

552
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:09,840
yeah that would have been good because i

553
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:11,360
think it was just so strange to see

554
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something that's

555
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:15,520
not aerodynamic at all right right

556
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:18,320
you know cruising along it's crazy yeah

557
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,200
yeah especially if

558
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especially like the way it was flying it

559
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,320
was

560
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flying bottom first it seemed like you

561
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:25,679
know yeah

562
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,080
it was like at the tip going it seems

563
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,520
like it'd be a little more aerodynamic

564
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:31,440
but it wasn't it was flying flat like

565
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:31,760
the

566
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:39,440
where

567
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,679
it rotates and then flies like belly

568
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,640
forward

569
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,640
yeah like that's you know not a very

570
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,559
aerodynamic way to fly either

571
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:48,880
but from what we understand i you know

572
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,600
doesn't matter

573
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,120
they're not dealing with the same stuff

574
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,360
that we're dealing with so yeah

575
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:56,000
you know you know the gimbal event um i

576
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:56,720
had a guy

577
00:20:02,149 --> 00:19:59,679
uh matthew roberts uh he's been on a

578
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:02,159
couple shows he called me in 2018 and

579
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:03,360
said

580
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:06,960
i was the dna department of naval

581
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:08,720
intelligence guy

582
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:11,039
on the on the roosevelt during the

583
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:11,840
gimbal event

584
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,880
oh wow dang and i said cool

585
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,280
he read my book and thought oh this

586
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,960
guy's military i'm military he's got

587
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:20,000
he's got a cool experience

588
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,120
i got a cool experience i'm going to

589
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,440
talk to him so he sent me an email

590
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:24,960
and i said here's my phone number call

591
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:26,960
me and he called me we talked for like

592
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,480
three hours

593
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:30,480
and i said well cool give me a scoop

594
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:31,440
what do you see what do you see what do

595
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:32,400
you see

596
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,840
he's like i'd love to tell you but i

597
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,520
can't i said oh come on

598
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,679
you know and he's like no man i can't i

599
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,960
signed an nda

600
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,799
even off the record you know if i

601
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:42,400
violate that nda he said

602
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:45,360
they'll lock me up yeah man you know

603
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:46,159
you're probably right

604
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:49,520
they probably would so what are your

605
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,039
what are your thoughts on this i'm

606
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,799
interested to hear your perspective

607
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:54,720
you know like after reading your book

608
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:57,200
and you also being in the military

609
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:59,280
and you going through like what you went

610
00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:00,559
through you know

611
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:03,039
not only not only with your your your

612
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,320
main event

613
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:06,720
um but also prior to that you know

614
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,799
there's a story of you and toby that are

615
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:09,840
going to uh

616
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,880
i guess uh toby you all are in the

617
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,400
ambulance and uh

618
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:17,200
i guess it was it like a a missile silo

619
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:18,720
well well the whole thing is exactly

620
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:19,360
what it was

621
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,679
right right kilo 5 it was uh it's a

622
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,360
launch control facility

623
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,679
it's where they have um i've got a

624
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:27,360
picture of it i took a picture of it

625
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:30,159
i should try to find it send it to you

626
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:30,480
it's

627
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:33,760
chain link fence and there's a little

628
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,840
trapezoid brick building

629
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,640
and then uh it's all gravel and then

630
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:40,000
right in the middle there's this big

631
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:41,039
blue dome

632
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:44,080
you know about 15 feet in diameter and

633
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,039
that's the cap

634
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:48,240
on top of the tube that holds the 60

635
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:48,960
foot tall

636
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,440
minuteman two thermonuclear missile with

637
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:53,840
five warheads attached

638
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,480
so yeah that's an interesting thing to

639
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,480
see it's a scary thing to see

640
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:01,600
yeah uh you had an instance where

641
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,280
y'all showed up and

642
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,600
told to stay in the ambulance and you

643
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,039
all ended up getting out and

644
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:11,840
and actually seeing something oh yeah my

645
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:12,640
friend toby

646
00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,159
he was he acted on

647
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,360
impulse a lot and he didn't like he

648
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,720
didn't like orders and that's that's a

649
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,240
tough thing when you're when you're

650
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,720
in the military you know uh and we were

651
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,159
ordered to stay in our ambulance

652
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:27,760
but you know it was like four degrees

653
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:30,640
outside and the windows kept fogging up

654
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,960
and we couldn't see anything going on

655
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,559
and toby's like you know

656
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:35,919
man i'm gonna go out and have a look

657
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,480
around i'm like yeah i wouldn't do that

658
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,159
so he throws on a park he goes out he

659
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,159
looks around and he comes back 10

660
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,840
minutes later opens my door

661
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,679
grabs me by the shoulders and he's

662
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:47,200
pulling me out of the ambulance he's

663
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,520
like

664
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,200
man you have got to see this you have

665
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,070
stuff we're not monetized you could cut

666
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,360
somewhere

667
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,760
okay he said you have got to see this

668
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,960
[\h__\h]

669
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:03,360
he's pulling me out i grab my parka i

670
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,320
throw it on

671
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,400
i get out and uh there's the i don't

672
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:08,080
remember if he's a captain or lieutenant

673
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,320
i don't remember now yeah i think he was

674
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,520
a captain

675
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,880
anyway the guy that told me to stay in

676
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,120
the ambulance stay off the radio

677
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,880
toby's standing right next to him and i

678
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:18,240
went over and i stood next to him and

679
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:19,039
i'm looking around

680
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:21,760
what are you guys looking at and over

681
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:22,320
that

682
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,400
about maybe 50 feet in the air there's a

683
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:29,840
matte black

684
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:32,640
uh i called it a black diamond because

685
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,440
it was

686
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,919
you know how like the old f-117s the

687
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,799
first stealth

688
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,720
planes kind of had all that faceted

689
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,640
multi-cut yeah that thing was kind of

690
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,919
like this the thing it kind of looked

691
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:43,200
like um

692
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:46,400
the rendelsham forest thing oh okay yeah

693
00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:48,720
interesting so matte black you couldn't

694
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,200
see a rivet or

695
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,760
a window or uh you know no markings of

696
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,640
any kind

697
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,120
and it is absolutely dead still and you

698
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,400
know

699
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:01,440
there are a dozen uh air force security

700
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,720
police trucks there and they all got

701
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,760
spotlights

702
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,520
and everybody's got a spotlight on this

703
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,000
thing so it's lit up like crazy

704
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:10,320
uh and your mind is like i look at that

705
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,360
and i'm like

706
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,279
how can that be you know i'm gonna you

707
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,880
know you're looking for are there wires

708
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,080
or something holding this thing up

709
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:17,440
what's what's the deal

710
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:19,120
and it was just suspended there

711
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,480
absolutely

712
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,520
it didn't move a millimeter and my

713
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,120
friend toby who was a math

714
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:28,320
genius uh seriously counted all the

715
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,039
facets

716
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,200
and made a mental note and was able to

717
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:32,960
recreate a drawing of the thing

718
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,080
pretty accurately i wish i had that dang

719
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:38,159
it and while we're watching it it goes

720
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:39,200
from dead stop

721
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:42,799
to 500 miles an hour and boom is gone

722
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,840
whoa that's crazy and as soon as it's

723
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,720
gone

724
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,240
we're looking at you know the hole in

725
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,919
the sky where it vanished

726
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,600
and the captain you know who's kind of a

727
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,039
hard ass kind of guy

728
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,960
turns to me with this big smile like did

729
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:56,640
you see what i saw

730
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,559
and we're like yeah and then everybody

731
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,400
kind of snaps back into their respective

732
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,760
roles and he's like uh

733
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:05,120
i'll get the gate open you can go in and

734
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:08,640
get your man yes sir you know

735
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,679
i always find it funny like even if

736
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,919
someone's a you know five-star general

737
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,919
if they see something that defies

738
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,679
laws of physics or anything they've ever

739
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,600
seen i feel like that's so

740
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,240
such a human reaction the first thing to

741
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,000
do is be excited about it

742
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,640
i love that yeah yeah i think you're

743
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:28,080
right even though they mask it

744
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,520
a little later because they're like oh i

745
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,840
have to be you know whatever

746
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,159
but that first impression is like whoa

747
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,760
did you see that

748
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,600
yeah and you can't it can't hide it i

749
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,880
think human nature is when you see

750
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:40,799
something like that

751
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,760
no you can't hide that yeah dude oh my

752
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,520
god i'd have been really suspicious if

753
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:46,559
he was like

754
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:50,960
you know nonchalant not fast enough

755
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,400
yeah yeah not fast enough exactly so

756
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,159
that's hilarious too because the guy

757
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,600
that y'all were going to go help

758
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,760
was kept inside of a building and isn't

759
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:01,200
he the guy that they interviewed

760
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,640
about the whole thing that one guy he

761
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:04,559
didn't see he's in this trapezoid

762
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,279
building

763
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:06,799
and the captain had him stuck there he

764
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,919
had he had a broken ankle i think and

765
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,919
they had his foot propped up on a trash

766
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,440
can and is seated in this little

767
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:14,799
trapezoid building

768
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:18,159
kind of cool you're going through a

769
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,600
locked door and there's all kinds of

770
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:21,120
electronic security you wouldn't believe

771
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,000
how much there is

772
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,760
and you're going to you go on this door

773
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,600
in this little trapezoid building

774
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,240
and there's a desk a chair a coat rack

775
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:30,159
and an elevator door

776
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,679
yeah and there's one button down

777
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:36,000
and it takes you 60 feet down down under

778
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,799
the ground

779
00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:38,320
and opens the door and you're at the

780
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,110
base of the missile whoa

781
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,840
[Music]

782
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,200
and that's how there were missile

783
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,279
technicians there working on the missile

784
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,360
doing you know routine maintenance stuff

785
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:48,880
and the guy slipped off a ladder and

786
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:51,679
fell and hurt his ankle

787
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,440
so he's in this building that has no

788
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,919
windows he can hear you know all hell

789
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,600
breaking loose outside

790
00:27:01,350 --> 00:27:00,080
and he can't see anything and so we get

791
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:01,360
him in the ambulance and he's like what

792
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,480
i missed what was out there

793
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:04,080
tell me what you saw you know he wasn't

794
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,200
worried about his ankle he wanted to

795
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,400
know what we saw

796
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,400
oh man we saw a flying saucer it's just

797
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,679
absolutely gigantic

798
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:11,600
like the biggest moment of fomo ever

799
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:13,919
like you're at the bottom of this like

800
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,230
this is the only guy that didn't see a

801
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,240
thing we get into the hospital

802
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,320
and uh as we we finished up our shift at

803
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,240
our paperwork and we're leaving

804
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,600
uh and as we're leaving uh there's a

805
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,720
nco and a uh a major from the office of

806
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,880
special investigation security police

807
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,720
and they're just grilling this guy on

808
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:38,000
you know what did you see

809
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,600
what happened out there you know tell us

810
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,000
the whole story you know

811
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:44,159
like that's that's funny never talk to

812
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,679
us i'm sure they never talked any i

813
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:47,279
don't know i don't know yeah

814
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,200
so do you know do you know like when

815
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,679
that thing showed up over that missile

816
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,640
that that missile silo do you know if

817
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:56,960
anything happened like did it

818
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,640
activate or deactivate anything or or

819
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,640
not that i know of yeah but you know all

820
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,320
kinds of things can happen that

821
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,559
you know we don't know of right you know

822
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:07,840
it's like robert salas

823
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,960
uh you know had his board go down all of

824
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:12,960
his missiles went offline

825
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:15,679
and uh that happened in russia too yeah

826
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:16,320
yeah

827
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,760
and uh

828
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,120
you know those are those are the

829
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:22,799
instances we've heard of

830
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,960
right yeah that's a real secretive

831
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,720
profession i wonder how many people

832
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:28,480
are out there who had their missiles go

833
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,760
offline and

834
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:32,240
you know about it right yeah i mean

835
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:32,880
that's

836
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:36,960
out with a bunch of nuclear missiles and

837
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,679
then they all

838
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,640
turn on or all turn off either way it's

839
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:42,799
gotta be a pretty scary experience

840
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,799
because you're like okay

841
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,120
what next you know that's like standing

842
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,799
next to like a butane tank with like a

843
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:50,559
fire going on right next to it you're

844
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,039
just

845
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:53,120
okay so should we leave now that

846
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:56,720
happened to us another fish fry dude

847
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,320
i mean you start just pressing buttons

848
00:29:01,269 --> 00:29:00,559
at random and hope you get the right

849
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,279
thing

850
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,880
yeah yes yes yeah yeah

851
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,440
so i mean dude i thought i don't know if

852
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,279
i've asked you this before but man

853
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,440
now that like sorry to be changing the

854
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,880
subject a little bit but

855
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,880
you've obviously been in the military

856
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:17,039
you've been around people that were

857
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,960
very serious about stuff and you were

858
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:20,480
talking about uh

859
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:24,399
nuclear silos like our country's best

860
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:25,360
defense against

861
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,120
allies or who knows like

862
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:31,360
what do you think about the military now

863
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,039
being totally

864
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,880
transparent because i feel like before

865
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,399
there was like a sense of embarrassment

866
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,000
like we don't want everybody to know

867
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,720
everything and now it it's like being

868
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:41,679
slowly

869
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,720
everywhere d like what are your thoughts

870
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:48,720
like do you think there's an agenda in

871
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,440
some way

872
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,600
i mean you you of all people i think

873
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,600
you've you've been in that scenario

874
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,440
and now seeing this out like what like

875
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,720
what do you think what do you think's

876
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,679
happening

877
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:59,279
well i'll tell you what this started

878
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:02,240
december 17 2017

879
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,440
when this commander fravor

880
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,880
who flew the f-18 back in 2014 or

881
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,000
whenever it was

882
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,480
off off the roosevelt and checked out

883
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:15,039
the tic tacs

884
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,360
and i talked to kevin day who was who

885
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:19,200
was the radar operator that's an

886
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:20,720
interesting story he'd make a great

887
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:21,600
guess

888
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:25,039
he yeah uh he's on facebook uh

889
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:29,679
he um yeah to answer your question

890
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:33,360
something has changed to have

891
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,080
number one a command a naval commander

892
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,000
doesn't go on to call a press conference

893
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:40,799
that doesn't happen doesn't happen you

894
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:41,679
know

895
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:45,520
to say it's been rehearsed

896
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:48,320
every single word has been noted and

897
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,799
read

898
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,360
and vetted and and you know 10 people

899
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:53,039
different people have read it

900
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:55,279
and then the permission for that

901
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,799
disclosure

902
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,799
i think has to come from the very top i

903
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,720
think they had to come

904
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:03,279
from the president i don't think that

905
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,159
came from

906
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,919
that certainly didn't come through naval

907
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:07,360
intelligence sir

908
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,039
so you know it makes you wonder um

909
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,200
why the disclosure yeah you know i know

910
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:15,200
leslie kane who wrote that who wrote the

911
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:16,480
article

912
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,320
and um leslie and i uh

913
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,640
were asked to speak at rice university

914
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,159
in houston

915
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,840
and you guys know where rice is oh yeah

916
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:27,440
yeah

917
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:30,159
back in november 2019 uh we went down

918
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,440
and we spoke to

919
00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,320
the entire humanities department of rice

920
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,559
including the college of theology

921
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,120
and she spoke about ufos and i spoke

922
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:41,039
about alien abduction

923
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,399
and it was interesting to see these

924
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,080
academics there was no

925
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,039
no public and no press it was all

926
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,200
faculty and phd candidates

927
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,919
wow that's awesome yeah well then i told

928
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,279
i told leslie i said well you gotta talk

929
00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:55,120
about a tough audience right

930
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,840
yeah right you like trying to make a

931
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,120
joke

932
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:03,120
oh no these these people were absolutely

933
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,480
golden they were just they were just

934
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,919
wonderful people and treated us

935
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,320
just uh so kindly that's awesome we'd

936
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,159
have been back in 2020 if you know

937
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,399
covet hadn't been around but leslie

938
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,320
wrote that that story

939
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,679
and uh you know

940
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,200
she got i won't say where she got that

941
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,720
information but she got that information

942
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:21,679
from a high level

943
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:25,440
and uh you know wrote her story and uh

944
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,640
it seemed like that opened a door oh

945
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,640
but i'll say this everything they

946
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:33,200
disclosed is absolutely planned

947
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:37,279
and uh premeditated and it's not

948
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,039
you know it's not leaked it's all

949
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,360
yeah it's all done on purpose so yeah i

950
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:44,880
just wonder what's going on i think

951
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:46,320
we're being prepared for something i

952
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:46,880
really do

953
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,320
yeah man i have to ask i

954
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,000
i'm always kind of this guy i hate to be

955
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:54,159
the smelly sock in the pile of clean

956
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:54,840
clothes

957
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,200
but do do you trust

958
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,240
do you trust it like i i

959
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,600
want to so bad like i want to be like

960
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,679
yes they're they're they're they're

961
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:09,600
giving us this information

962
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,279
and it's good information and and uh

963
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,120
and i hope that they're trying to steer

964
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,799
us in the right direction

965
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,120
um but you know you have even you have

966
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:20,960
personal experience of like

967
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:23,679
uh mr loveless you better shut up and

968
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,159
never

969
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,720
speak of this ever again you know so

970
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:28,720
you've dealt with that side

971
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,760
of this issue you know

972
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:33,360
no i don't i don't trust them and i

973
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:35,600
don't believe i don't i don't buy what

974
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:35,919
they

975
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,440
buy it

976
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,279
i feel the same i don't know i'm torn i

977
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,279
mean i really am i i don't know

978
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:47,519
is this real stuff is this stuff they're

979
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,559
generating

980
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,799
you know and then a few years back uh

981
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,799
who was it maybe it was greer

982
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,720
it was dr greer i don't know somebody

983
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,480
was talking about a false flag thing

984
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,760
where they were gonna

985
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:59,519
uh the united states was going to

986
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:01,039
simulate a uh

987
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,480
alien invasion uh towards

988
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:06,080
some agenda i don't know yeah that's

989
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,840
pretty far out there but you know it was

990
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,440
like roosevelt had had

991
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,839
these these plans right is it no that

992
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:12,960
was singing the wrong one

993
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,079
yeah that was uh dang the no

994
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,919
the uh the russian uh mr gorbachev that

995
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:20,720
guy

996
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:28,000
be yes well ronald reagan had made the

997
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,639
speech

998
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:30,639
basically talking about you know like

999
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,560
how would the world react

1000
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,800
if if there were to be some outside

1001
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:35,919
alien threat

1002
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,280
would we all come together and you know

1003
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,480
work as a as a team um i

1004
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:44,639
wish i could remember the russian dude's

1005
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:45,679
name he he

1006
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:48,879
like basically invented the rocket

1007
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:52,240
um and he had talked about the plan

1008
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:55,520
of like creating a a one world

1009
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:56,399
government

1010
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,599
the final step of that would be uh

1011
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,640
a false alien invasion um

1012
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,839
and you know he he called it uh dude i'm

1013
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,960
having such a brain fart too i'm

1014
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,720
thinking like oppenheimer no i am

1015
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,040
i am so mad i can't think of the guy who

1016
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:12,640
started nasa

1017
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,839
people in the chat help us out not

1018
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:17,599
verner

1019
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,839
yes that is who it is so he's the one

1020
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,119
that came up with that yeah he had

1021
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,200
talked about how like basically the

1022
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,640
united states would go

1023
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:26,560
through these these steps where

1024
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:29,040
basically we would we would uh we would

1025
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,359
have the threat of communism come upon

1026
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,920
us and and that would be our first enemy

1027
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,359
and then we would have

1028
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,320
uh these uh terrorism we would have to

1029
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,079
fight terrorism and these third world

1030
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:41,119
nut jobs

1031
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,119
and we've kind of went through that

1032
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:45,359
whole thing and the last and final step

1033
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:46,400
would be a false

1034
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,599
alien invasion that would come about

1035
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,760
that would create this one world

1036
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,200
government basically

1037
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,680
and i have mixed feelings on the whole

1038
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:57,440
one world government thing but

1039
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,640
you know this seems like okay like

1040
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:03,119
we're we're kind of like people don't

1041
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,839
talk about

1042
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,680
terrorism as much as they used to it's

1043
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:07,760
not like top of mind like it was right

1044
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,240
after

1045
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,800
you know 9 11 so now we're kind of

1046
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,400
moving into this new era

1047
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,200
like who do we have now to fight like

1048
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,880
people are getting tired of like these

1049
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,640
earthly wars like

1050
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,720
where do we go now well now maybe

1051
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:22,880
they're prepping us for this false

1052
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,160
alien invasion thing and i can't say

1053
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,079
you know because i have no personal

1054
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:30,079
experience on whether this is positive

1055
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,880
or negative

1056
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,040
we've all heard the flip sides like of

1057
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:35,040
really positive experiences and really

1058
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:36,560
negative experiences

1059
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:40,000
so ultimately who really

1060
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,950
go for it and you know i just want to

1061
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,000
say you know

1062
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,640
uh right now is a peculiar time in

1063
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:52,000
history because there are three things

1064
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,280
going on

1065
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:55,359
and you know i think of the axis powers

1066
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:56,960
in world war ii

1067
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,440
you know germany italy and japan well

1068
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:00,960
now we got russia china

1069
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,160
and iran right and uh

1070
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,359
you know we got china who is claiming

1071
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:09,359
laying claim to the south china sea

1072
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:10,720
which is a major

1073
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,000
trade route and that you know they built

1074
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,359
air bases uh out of man-made islands

1075
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:20,160
uh all throughout the china sea yeah and

1076
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,800
uh

1077
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:23,520
they're they're flying warplanes over

1078
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,960
taiwan almost every other day

1079
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:29,440
and that's scary you know you got russia

1080
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:31,040
right now as of today

1081
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:33,920
they have 150 000 troops on the ukraine

1082
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:34,839
border

1083
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,320
today and putin went on

1084
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,320
and went on air today and said don't

1085
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:41,920
mess with us

1086
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,839
don't don't cross our

1087
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,760
he called it a red line don't cross that

1088
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:50,320
red line i bet you said that

1089
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:53,119
you'll regret it i bet he said it so

1090
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:53,680
calmly

1091
00:38:01,589 --> 00:38:00,230
uh you know terry have you heard of this

1092
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,599
i don't know what i'm sure there's a

1093
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,680
name for it but there's a reason

1094
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:06,320
why some people think that we go to the

1095
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,359
united states

1096
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:09,760
goes to war so often is because we in

1097
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:11,599
wartime don't have to pay taxes to

1098
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:13,440
whoever we owe like china who we owe

1099
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,480
like

1100
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:17,200
trillions of dollars so now they're kind

1101
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,079
of like

1102
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:20,079
making i don't know there's a it's a

1103
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,599
theory okay allegedly

1104
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,760
that that well we have to pay more taxes

1105
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,359
to our own government our own government

1106
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:27,280
yeah

1107
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,880
think i buy that okay i know

1108
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,640
because there's so much trade i mean you

1109
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:34,800
know there are already tariffs in place

1110
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:37,520
and and uh like there's there is a

1111
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:39,280
national debt that we have

1112
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,040
and that's scary you know that's it

1113
00:38:47,190 --> 00:38:45,920
it makes me wonder like it's like oh i

1114
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,200
would believe that i'm not saying it's

1115
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:48,800
true but i would i could believe that

1116
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,200
that

1117
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,800
there's some kind of treaty to where if

1118
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:52,400
the united states is at war we don't

1119
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,359
have to pay our

1120
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,200
our debts while we do it well yeah like

1121
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,640
if you're going to go to war with china

1122
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:58,079
who you owe a whole bunch of debt to

1123
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,280
you're not going to pay them debt

1124
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,880
while you're fighting them in a war

1125
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,560
you're like

1126
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,320
yeah fighting also here's here's a

1127
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,920
dollar and here's the dollar and then

1128
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,400
back down yeah yeah sorry i blew that up

1129
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,640
here's a dollar

1130
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,200
hey you know germany and world war one

1131
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,359
amassed an unbelievable debt

1132
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:17,920
and they just paid it off in the 1990s

1133
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,359
yeah isn't that crazy

1134
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:21,200
the last installment yeah but you could

1135
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,400
just pay it off

1136
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:24,480
a student loan maybe go away maybe the

1137
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,760
united states should look at doing

1138
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:28,480
something like that hey let's just

1139
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,119
let's pay some of that off it's

1140
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,800
impossible dude like at this point i

1141
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,000
don't even think it's it's

1142
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,000
you you could even pay it off man like

1143
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,680
what do we do like this year like in

1144
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,560
like the cove

1145
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:40,720
uh relief bills like we spent like two

1146
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,000
and a half years worth

1147
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,200
of like actual yearly budgets like just

1148
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:47,119
this year alone so we've spent like

1149
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:48,720
three and a half years

1150
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,760
of of yearly budgets just this year

1151
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,960
and it's like dude i mean something like

1152
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,240
50

1153
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,480
of all the dollars ever printed or

1154
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:00,720
minted in this country

1155
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,160
have been minted or printed in the past

1156
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,280
13 months oh my god yeah

1157
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,640
it's an insane amount of money dude

1158
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,720
yeah that's too much money we don't

1159
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,240
actually it's crazy you know what's fun

1160
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:15,440
to think about is that money doesn't

1161
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:16,000
exist

1162
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,000
know that that's

1163
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,040
that's a really uh a big point it's an

1164
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,880
area of interest of mine and that

1165
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:27,599
in 1973 nixon took us off the gold

1166
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:28,160
standard

1167
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,599
because the dollar used to be backed by

1168
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,359
gold and

1169
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:33,520
now it's what's called a fiat currency

1170
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:34,480
f-i-a-t

1171
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,400
not the carb does this make it look feel

1172
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,240
i don't know what it

1173
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,599
uh every single currency in the world

1174
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:43,520
is now backed by the good faith of the

1175
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:46,160
government not by anything tangible

1176
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,599
yeah yeah and that's why i think bitcoin

1177
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:51,440
is the way of the future love that what

1178
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,640
about dogecoin what do you think about

1179
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,000
dogecoin

1180
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:57,040
oh i don't know i work with that you

1181
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,760
know

1182
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,359
i bought a couple bitcoin back when they

1183
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:01,760
were dirt cheap oh you did

1184
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,990
man that's going to be the future medium

1185
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,359
of exchange

1186
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,200
because the fiat dollar is not backed by

1187
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:13,280
anything and we're printing trillions of

1188
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,160
dollars

1189
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,440
yeah on good faith of the government

1190
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,640
yeah yeah the people that the at my

1191
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,560
at bank of america want to pay me uh

1192
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,680
point zero

1193
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,880
three percent on my savings account

1194
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,480
i'm like you know what am i gonna give

1195
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:29,920
you guys my money for

1196
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,560
yeah all i know is that i bought some

1197
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:34,319
dogecoin and i'm i'm never going to give

1198
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,359
them away i want them

1199
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,599
i want it to be uh so long that they're

1200
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:38,880
going to actually print them and i want

1201
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:39,280
a

1202
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,560
know

1203
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,560
like by that time it'll be worthless

1204
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,839
because it's physical right

1205
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,839
well i don't know i don't know i want to

1206
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:54,960
give you a chicken

1207
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,160
for some milk yeah i love that

1208
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:01,440
yes the garter system but but chickens

1209
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,319
and milk

1210
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:04,880
are hard to keep around in a wallet you

1211
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,599
know and

1212
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,520
also if you if you travel to a place

1213
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:09,359
that has plentiful chickens and milk

1214
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,920
you're like

1215
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:12,480
well i guess i gotta go back home to get

1216
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,280
my goat

1217
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,640
because they don't take chickens or milk

1218
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:16,560
here so babe

1219
00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:20,480
honey we gotta go back load up the wagon

1220
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,540
i tell you what here's my kid

1221
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,599
[Laughter]

1222
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,079
yeah yeah man so terry what do you think

1223
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,160
about this man like uh

1224
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:32,640
kind of not steering away but what do

1225
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:33,280
you think

1226
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:36,800
if we were to ever reach this

1227
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:40,000
galactic scale um of

1228
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:43,520
of of trade among the stars do you think

1229
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,000
we would

1230
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:47,440
have to develop into a one world

1231
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,200
uh government system

1232
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,760
no question yeah i think we would and

1233
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,319
you know people

1234
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:56,400
think people will say it's crazy but i

1235
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,520
think that it's true

1236
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:59,520
if we can if we can avoid blowing

1237
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:00,800
ourselves

1238
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,920
up you know and if we can stay

1239
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,640
stable you know maybe one day we could

1240
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:10,400
have just think about that if we had one

1241
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,880
world

1242
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,440
without borders there'd be no nobody

1243
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:14,800
would be acting regionally there

1244
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:16,720
wouldn't be these petty wars

1245
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,920
uh and not some petty wars right one

1246
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:22,000
world acting in unison

1247
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:23,760
why is everybody so against that though

1248
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,000
now it's like well

1249
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,880
it depends because do you like you we're

1250
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,760
assuming like

1251
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:31,440
oh one world government well is it going

1252
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,800
to be the united states

1253
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,640
government or is it going to be russia's

1254
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:36,160
government is it going to be china's

1255
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,599
government whose government is going to

1256
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:39,119
be is it going to be a completely new

1257
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,920
government

1258
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,760
how long is it going to take us to trans

1259
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,839
transition into this new government

1260
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,920
is that uh is it something we've even

1261
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:47,520
thought about yet i'm sure somebody's

1262
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,480
done a lot of

1263
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,400
i'm sure there's a think tank for this

1264
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,400
it's probably already set up and they're

1265
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:54,720
just slowly phasing it in

1266
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:58,000
you know within the next 200 years

1267
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:01,119
it'll finally start you know yeah

1268
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,760
taking hold i mean yeah i mentioned that

1269
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:05,200
at a mufon meeting

1270
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,200
uh one time up in grapevine uh of texas

1271
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,319
and uh this woman says

1272
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:15,119
you're a socialist i'm like well yeah

1273
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,000
kinda

1274
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,640
you know and she's like well you were up

1275
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,839
in vermont

1276
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:22,160
and i said yeah i was i'm no bernie

1277
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:23,040
sanders uh

1278
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:27,040
yeah i mean you're a big deal for people

1279
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:28,240
that don't know i mean

1280
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:32,160
like i mean you you've you've been in

1281
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:32,800
government

1282
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:36,800
uh to a like large capacity uh

1283
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,920
you've seen like how the gears work so

1284
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,280
your perspective is a little different

1285
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,800
i've never been an elected i've always

1286
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,160
been an appointed

1287
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,640
uh so and there's a distinction there

1288
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:49,040
i've always been a civil servant you

1289
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:50,160
know yeah

1290
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:53,280
yeah but yeah i saw how the inside of

1291
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,640
the government works

1292
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:57,920
um yeah so crazy

1293
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:01,359
do you think that uh that the ultimate

1294
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:01,760
goal

1295
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,960
is or could be you know new management

1296
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,720
i mean the people or the entities that

1297
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,079
you met would you

1298
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,160
i mean is that somebody that you could

1299
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:12,160
even trust or do they have another

1300
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:16,319
a totally different uh species or race

1301
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:16,720
that

1302
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,720
man maybe maybe there's like a whole

1303
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,319
different game being played like it's a

1304
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,839
whole model that's already

1305
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,160
existing yes and like we just don't know

1306
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,240
about it as the common person

1307
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,880
but whoever is like in charge of the

1308
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:34,640
people that are in charge

1309
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:39,040
you know like they know about it right

1310
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,640
you know everybody's got to have a boss

1311
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:42,480
there's got to be some kind of oversight

1312
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,839
but then you hear all these crazy

1313
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:46,079
stories about like the guy who was the

1314
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:46,960
tax collector

1315
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,880
down in florida who's being looked at

1316
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,319
with uh

1317
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,599
with matt gates right now under scrutiny

1318
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,920
well yeah that guy the greenberg i think

1319
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,119
is his name

1320
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,079
uh was arrested by the fbi and uh you

1321
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:03,839
know charged with a bunch of crimes

1322
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:06,000
and uh you know he was an elected

1323
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,040
official

1324
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,640
yeah people went to the polls and voted

1325
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:10,160
for him yeah and

1326
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,680
and i read that uh he bought like 60 000

1327
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,440
worth of computers build it to the

1328
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,200
county and

1329
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,400
was trying to get them online to uh

1330
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:23,520
mine bitcoin from his office how

1331
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:27,119
how crazy is that on the

1332
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,160
come on taxpayers oh man

1333
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,000
terry have you ever read the book uh

1334
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,319
childhoods end

1335
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,640
no it sounds interesting uh he wrote a

1336
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,319
book called childhoods in

1337
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,960
and this whole thing like has this vibe

1338
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:42,960
to it i haven't finished the book

1339
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:47,040
um but uh so far i've gotten to where

1340
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,079
basically

1341
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,800
these massive craft come down and they

1342
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:51,839
they sit over

1343
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,960
major cities of the entire world they

1344
00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:56,160
don't do anything

1345
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,000
they stay to come down and they stay

1346
00:47:02,870 --> 00:46:59,920
there for like a hundred years

1347
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:02,880
and nobody really understands what's

1348
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:03,920
going on

1349
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,560
um there's one person who's allowed to

1350
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,119
communicate with somebody on the inside

1351
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,480
and he kind of relays information and

1352
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:15,520
basically what they're trying to do is

1353
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,359
get the next generation of kids to

1354
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,079
become very familiar and just accepting

1355
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,240
of the fact that there's this craft

1356
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,240
that's there and it's just normal

1357
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,920
everyday thing

1358
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:30,160
and so the idea of it is that these

1359
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,760
beings

1360
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,960
want humanity to transition into their

1361
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:36,720
way of living

1362
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:39,920
um and slowly over you know

1363
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:42,000
i mean it's been a hundred years already

1364
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,520
um but slowly

1365
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:45,680
you know people will start to come to

1366
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:46,559
their side

1367
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,599
and start living that type of of life i

1368
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,119
guess their government their

1369
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,160
system um and

1370
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:56,160
some people do some people don't so you

1371
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,680
have the rebels and then you have the

1372
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,240
people who are conforming to the new

1373
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:02,880
system that has arrived here on earth

1374
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,280
and

1375
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,760
it's really like really interesting like

1376
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,520
when we talk about this and like this

1377
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:09,440
one world government and what would it

1378
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,160
be

1379
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,400
and you know this new one world

1380
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:14,640
government is probably not even an

1381
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:17,599
earthly government i i i'm in my head

1382
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:18,000
that's

1383
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,800
my own like just assumption is like i

1384
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,240
don't feel like it would even be

1385
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,480
maybe an earthly government at all it

1386
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,040
might be something completely different

1387
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,440
you know what i envisioned and this this

1388
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:31,119
sounds crazy i know but

1389
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,280
my my vision is that in the future

1390
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:38,400
the entire world will be run by ai

1391
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:40,000
and there'll be no committees or

1392
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:41,440
councils or

1393
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:44,800
um ai will run everything

1394
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:47,839
i mean it writes its own program i mean

1395
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:50,559
yeah that's i mean that could so do you

1396
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,680
think that's a positive thing or a

1397
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,640
negative thing

1398
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,280
i think it's a positive thing i think

1399
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,520
you know i

1400
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,280
i think i'd rather trust a computer that

1401
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,599
could think for itself than i would

1402
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,400
you know a human being yeah there's no

1403
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:06,559
there's no built-in bias there's no uh

1404
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,170
there's no greed there's no uh um

1405
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,119
[Music]

1406
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,720
you know all the negative things that go

1407
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:14,960
along with government wouldn't be there

1408
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:17,200
yeah well i think it's it's i think

1409
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,160
you're

1410
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,160
i'm definitely on on the same track as

1411
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,839
you when i think about this thought

1412
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:24,480
when when you look at like government as

1413
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:25,200
a body

1414
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,559
really it's just a bunch of people every

1415
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,119
it's people um there's gonna be ego

1416
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,720
there's going to be ulterior motives um

1417
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,040
and then there's going to be you know

1418
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,040
bad stuff good stuff all the way around

1419
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,599
so the a high thing is

1420
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,280
it's scary because everybody hates

1421
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,200
change so yeah

1422
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:44,880
that's true everybody's afraid of it

1423
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:46,880
yeah so what you're saying is like if

1424
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:49,520
there wasn't coded in this this

1425
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:52,800
uh aspect of of ego or

1426
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,000
or uh superiority or whatever that would

1427
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:57,839
be awesome but what if somebody like

1428
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,200
snuck in a little code

1429
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,760
like hey in 120 years you're going to

1430
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:03,760
stop getting greedy little robot

1431
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:06,720
and then yeah you know put that money in

1432
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:07,440
this account

1433
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,480
yeah have you ever heard of a uh

1434
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:14,160
project venus who's it's uh it's

1435
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:17,599
by a guy uh uh jacques fresco

1436
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:20,559
i think is his name um he studied a lot

1437
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,119
of like

1438
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:23,920
buckminster fuller type stuff and he

1439
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,559
basically

1440
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,960
talked about a a society that

1441
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:29,200
transitions from a consumer-based

1442
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:30,319
society

1443
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,200
basically nothing really costs money

1444
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,240
anymore because there is a central they

1445
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:40,079
would build cities

1446
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:43,119
that would have a central hub that would

1447
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,119
uh basically ai and it would understand

1448
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,359
the resources that are available

1449
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,480
within this area of the city

1450
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,319
and so they would have these little

1451
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,400
robots that would build you know

1452
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,559
houses that would go up and they would

1453
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,640
build you know it's built in a circle

1454
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,640
so everything is super efficient it

1455
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,240
sounds like atlantis man

1456
00:51:08,230 --> 00:51:06,800
it sounds like atlantis hey that crossed

1457
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,240
my mind yeah yeah yeah

1458
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,720
plato's description of atlanta yeah and

1459
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,720
it's basically like rings so the center

1460
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:14,000
ring is basically

1461
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:16,400
where uh you know your schools your

1462
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:19,040
hospitals your doctors and lawyers and

1463
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,920
stuff like that

1464
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,079
are are all you know centrally located

1465
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:23,680
your libraries and stuff

1466
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,800
and then the next one the next ring out

1467
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:29,440
is like agriculture and farming and

1468
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,240
there's you know

1469
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,079
cattle and stuff like that and then the

1470
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:33,839
next ring out from that

1471
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:37,440
is you know uh you would have uh hotels

1472
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:37,680
and

1473
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:42,000
then on the outside ring you would have

1474
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,680
like these rural areas where there would

1475
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,760
be like single-family homes and stuff on

1476
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,880
the outside

1477
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,200
but basically these the ai would

1478
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:51,280
understand that like if there's too many

1479
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:51,920
people

1480
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:54,319
and the resources won't last that it

1481
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:55,680
would create a whole

1482
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,880
another uh section for people to move

1483
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:00,640
into and it would be you know

1484
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,839
a few miles yeah it would anticipate the

1485
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:04,800
needs of

1486
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,760
the humans and and you know nothing

1487
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,640
would really cost

1488
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,640
anything it's just like this area that

1489
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,680
you live and

1490
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,400
you eat and you drink water and i think

1491
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,079
his idea was like you know when you

1492
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:18,480
when you free the human mind up from

1493
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,200
from

1494
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,440
the strenuous activity of always

1495
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:23,440
figuring out how you're going to

1496
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,119
eat sleep and and pay the rent

1497
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,920
you start to open the mind up to a lot

1498
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,119
of creativity

1499
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,240
and thought and and you know you talk

1500
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,520
about the advancement

1501
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,400
in society and science and things like

1502
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,400
that and art and culture

1503
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,640
and how we would basically create like a

1504
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,079
whole new culture

1505
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:47,200
like for the world um just by being able

1506
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:47,680
to

1507
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:50,480
free up that space in people's heads

1508
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,400
that stress you take away that stress

1509
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,000
you take away the anxiety

1510
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,079
you take away the need for like i have

1511
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,680
to have this this is mine

1512
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:59,520
or i have to go to war because i need

1513
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,720
those resources you

1514
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,559
you basically strip that away because

1515
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,160
you don't need it anymore

1516
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,720
yeah yeah it's called project venus it's

1517
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,000
it's pretty interesting

1518
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:10,480
um it's it's kind of an older idea the

1519
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:11,119
guy's

1520
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,640
a little older i'm not even sure if he's

1521
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,400
alive anymore honestly

1522
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:16,480
um but yeah it's pretty interesting you

1523
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,760
should check it out it's called

1524
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,680
i will i will you know i'm thinking

1525
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:21,040
about that and i'm thinking about how

1526
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:22,319
many people there are stressed about

1527
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,680
their student loans

1528
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,760
or about uh being over you know

1529
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:27,040
underemployed or

1530
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,079
unemployed and

1531
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,160
you know what what concerns me as long

1532
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:34,880
as we're on the topic of

1533
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,760
social issues is the disparity between

1534
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,720
people that have

1535
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,040
and people that ain't got nothing you

1536
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:43,040
know and you're talking about

1537
00:53:49,589 --> 00:53:46,720
what like one percent of this country

1538
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:49,599
holds 90 percent of the wealth yeah

1539
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,200
that's just insane it's a lot of

1540
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:53,440
chickens and milk

1541
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,920
yeah yeah i think that sets the stage

1542
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,280
well you know what we're

1543
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,599
we're pretty close to civil unrest now i

1544
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,119
mean uh

1545
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,079
uh we're pretty divided i mean everybody

1546
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:06,960
falls on one side or another

1547
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:10,240
yeah and uh you know like rodney king

1548
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:13,599
said in 1993 can't we all just get along

1549
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:16,640
right right yeah you i mean you would

1550
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:17,359
definitely

1551
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,800
prefer a system

1552
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,640
that uh leaves me alone as much as

1553
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,559
possible yeah

1554
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,640
well while you're on that top you know

1555
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,319
that topic terry like

1556
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:30,480
it does feel like we're at a tipping

1557
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:31,520
point like the

1558
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:34,400
bubble the bubbles are rising and i feel

1559
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,280
like there's a

1560
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:38,000
divide not only just among the country

1561
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,480
but

1562
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:41,520
where people are headed uh mentally and

1563
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,480
spiritually

1564
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,079
some people think that it's the end of

1565
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:45,520
the world and some people think it's a

1566
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:46,480
new beginning

1567
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,599
where do you fall in in that category

1568
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,599
well you know i i've got good friends

1569
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,359
that are elected officials that

1570
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,760
i've worked for and i've i so i rather

1571
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,200
not i stay away from

1572
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,960
i'm apolitical when it comes to that

1573
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:00,319
point uh

1574
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,599
i'll share it with you over a beer

1575
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,680
sometime but that sounds great

1576
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,000
oh yeah i uh well you don't have a beer

1577
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,920
where's your beer dude

1578
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:09,520
yeah where is my beer that's a good

1579
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,960
question

1580
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,680
you know i think we're uh we're a

1581
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,440
divided country right now and that

1582
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:16,880
that's troubling

1583
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:20,000
and i wish we could somehow get over

1584
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:23,920
that um but you know both sides

1585
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,079
are convinced that they're right and it

1586
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,920
used to be that reasonable minds could

1587
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,280
disagree over something

1588
00:55:33,430 --> 00:55:31,839
right but you know i've lost two good

1589
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,440
friends because they disagree with my

1590
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,880
point of view

1591
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:36,240
and i'm like look i'm not trying to

1592
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,599
convince you of anything believe what

1593
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:39,200
you want to believe it's cool i'm good

1594
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,240
with that

1595
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,440
um but they want me to change my opinion

1596
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,119
and believe what they believe

1597
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,200
and you know they're they're offended

1598
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,839
and it um

1599
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,160
you know it is friendships and i i just

1600
00:55:55,109 --> 00:55:54,000
i thought that would i could not imagine

1601
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,119
in a million years is that ever

1602
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:57,200
happening right it's sad man yeah it's

1603
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,520
just

1604
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,319
it's such a bummer that every single

1605
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:01,520
thing that happens

1606
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:04,559
has to be politicized like one way or

1607
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:05,920
the other it's like dude

1608
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,880
can we not just look at this and decide

1609
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,480
whether or not that's good or bad does

1610
00:56:13,109 --> 00:56:12,160
that have to be politicized do we have

1611
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:13,119
to split it

1612
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,920
in like this red and blue category like

1613
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:16,880
what's

1614
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,520
hasn't worked in the past really it's

1615
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,119
definitely not working now

1616
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,799
do we think it's going to work in the

1617
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,160
future i mean

1618
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,640
that we're just going to keep doing it

1619
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,079
over and over and over

1620
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:33,359
again i mean like part of me feels like

1621
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,640
it's by design

1622
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:37,280
um and then part of me also feels like

1623
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,240
it's it's just

1624
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:41,520
our own stupidity you know i i place a

1625
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:42,799
lot of the blame on

1626
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:46,000
on uh ourselves as humans as the

1627
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,040
population

1628
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,880
uh i don't blame everything on the

1629
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,559
government but uh

1630
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:53,440
i think they it's it's really 50 50. you

1631
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,000
know i

1632
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,640
i think a lot of it is just not one not

1633
00:57:02,309 --> 00:56:58,240
educating yourself and just

1634
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,319
just saying whatever you know

1635
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,559
you think is right and expecting people

1636
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:06,319
to you know

1637
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,760
go with your your ideology and then the

1638
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:11,520
other half of it is like well

1639
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,559
we also have like media platforms and we

1640
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:16,559
have these government officials that are

1641
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:19,440
so childish and they politicize

1642
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,240
everything

1643
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:22,720
so it kind of leaves us you know back in

1644
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:23,599
the day i mean

1645
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:25,839
the news ran three times a day the

1646
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,640
morning hey

1647
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:29,040
some stuff happened um and we'll update

1648
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:30,079
you again

1649
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,920
in the afternoon the afternoon hey

1650
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:33,359
remember that stuff that happened well

1651
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:35,040
we got a little story on it and then the

1652
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,599
evening

1653
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,760
here's an overcap of everything that

1654
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:38,720
happened today

1655
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,839
now the news runs 24 7. like what are

1656
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:44,000
they reporting on like what like what is

1657
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,760
what is there i mean well you know what

1658
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:47,520
yeah yeah no boy it's a great point and

1659
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,119
you know what why would

1660
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:51,599
why would i care about a news anchor's

1661
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,720
opinion

1662
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:55,599
yes i don't yeah and why would i care

1663
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:56,559
about four or five

1664
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:58,799
experts on a panel that they have

1665
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,079
hand-picked that are going to come in

1666
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:01,839
and agree with their with their position

1667
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:05,200
right so you know what i don't watch

1668
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:08,799
cnn fox msnbc none of that stuff i don't

1669
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:09,359
watch

1670
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,559
not a minute of it oan uh whatever

1671
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,319
whatever the other networks are i don't

1672
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,240
watch any of that i get my news from

1673
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:17,440
bloomberg

1674
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,880
um associated press

1675
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,559
and uh you know who else does great

1676
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:24,720
reporting is al jazeera

1677
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,920
yeah yeah yeah yeah it's it's just

1678
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,240
it's it's pretty wild that you know you

1679
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:32,079
look at this and there's 24-hour news

1680
00:58:35,990 --> 00:58:33,040
stations

1681
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:36,000
and there's five-minute segment segments

1682
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,200
that still run

1683
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:40,559
morning afternoon evening that are news

1684
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,440
segments

1685
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:44,160
and the rest of this 24-hour news

1686
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,720
channel

1687
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,799
is all opinion pieces that's all it is

1688
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,240
it's just opinion pieces

1689
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:50,480
and entertainment even on the radio when

1690
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,760
you listen to like news

1691
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,079
talk radio you know they'll have like

1692
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,160
their show the show that goes on

1693
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:58,000
that's an opinionated show that's all

1694
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:59,440
that is and then when they go to

1695
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:00,319
commercial break

1696
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:03,520
and they're like today at at 9 55

1697
00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:07,119
uh van drove into a crowded you know

1698
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,319
area blah blah blah uh we'll have more

1699
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:13,200
updated news later and that was the news

1700
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,880
that was the news that 30 second

1701
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,799
little portion that was the news the

1702
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,720
rest of that yeah all opinions

1703
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,040
all of it yeah it's all opinions well

1704
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,559
you know and i think that there's a

1705
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:24,720
there's a group of uh

1706
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:27,599
maybe 50 year olds and above sitting at

1707
00:59:30,069 --> 00:59:28,000
home

1708
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:30,079
in front of the television mom and pop

1709
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,200
kind of thing

1710
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,599
watching this uh thinking that this is

1711
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:35,599
news and not even considering this is

1712
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:36,319
op-ed

1713
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,480
you know this isn't news yeah and um

1714
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:42,640
i think it has an influence i mean on

1715
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,559
both sides i think that

1716
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,960
it has an influence that's just uh just

1717
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:48,480
wrong it's just not news

1718
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:50,480
it absolutely does they they need to go

1719
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,160
back to watch a wheel of fortune

1720
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:54,160
cause i know that's what i watch i love

1721
00:59:58,839 --> 01:00:06,550
oh

1722
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:08,390
[Music]

1723
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,599
i agree yes man yes uh

1724
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:14,079
so i i'm thinking maybe so we've gone

1725
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:16,000
down this political path i mean there's

1726
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:16,640
some

1727
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,760
really want to hear a little bit more

1728
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,119
about your story

1729
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:23,359
terry so i mean talking about your new

1730
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,559
book joe was telling me

1731
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:26,799
a little bit about some of the details

1732
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:28,720
that you were able to go into

1733
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,119
and uh man so your first book is kind of

1734
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,839
yeah there's a ton of detail and and it

1735
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,400
seems like there's a new story

1736
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:41,119
every time you you you know get to this

1737
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,000
pinnacle

1738
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,680
and it's like okay well here's another

1739
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,599
in really

1740
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,200
amazing thing that happened sometimes

1741
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:49,760
scary most of the time scary

1742
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,720
honestly but uh with this new book what

1743
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,760
were you

1744
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:55,920
what was the idea behind the new book

1745
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:56,960
and do you

1746
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,599
uh uh maybe explain some of the details

1747
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,480
that you were

1748
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,200
uh able to bring out and and was it hard

1749
01:01:07,589 --> 01:01:05,200
to choose which ones to choose to

1750
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,599
to bring out some of those extra details

1751
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,359
that's a great question i love it and

1752
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,599
i'll answer that and that is that when i

1753
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:13,599
wrote devil's den and published it i

1754
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,040
honest to god um i i wrote it as a

1755
01:01:19,750 --> 01:01:18,960
catharsis for myself for my mental

1756
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,760
health

1757
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:21,359
and i thought you know i'll sell 100

1758
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:23,200
books and have a box of 50 in my garage

1759
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,319
or something right you know and i've

1760
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:26,079
sold 15 000.

1761
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,680
so um but

1762
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,599
i left a lot of things unanswered in the

1763
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:33,280
first book that i didn't think would be

1764
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,480
that big a deal

1765
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,079
and i kept getting letters from people

1766
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,680
like in the first book there's

1767
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,760
the story of rodney letterman uh i'll

1768
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,799
tell it real quick

1769
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,640
rodney letterman is a 32 year old young

1770
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,640
man from bartlesville oklahoma

1771
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,440
who in august of 2017 drove to devil's

1772
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:49,760
den with his friend

1773
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,480
and they were going to walk the

1774
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,640
butterfield trail and hang out and just

1775
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:54,400
see the park right

1776
01:01:58,950 --> 01:01:57,680
so they drove down and they're on the

1777
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:58,960
butterfield trail

1778
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,920
which uh is actually it's it was the old

1779
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:03,839
butterfield stagecoach line which was

1780
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,280
the first coast-to-coast stagecoach

1781
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:09,680
and it runs right through devil's den

1782
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,039
and it's a paved

1783
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,880
it's a paved walkway it's a very easy

1784
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:14,640
walk for anybody

1785
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:17,440
and uh i don't know did you get on the

1786
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:18,640
butterfield trail when you went down

1787
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,359
there

1788
01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:21,280
that sounds familiar so what we did was

1789
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:22,960
we we drove down the path

1790
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:25,760
into where uh it's like this this

1791
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,400
station

1792
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:28,319
uh like a house kind of thing where you

1793
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,520
go and you ask

1794
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:32,000
whoever like for a map or whatever there

1795
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,680
was a film for a kiosk

1796
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,440
but there's like people working there

1797
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:37,359
and we got there at dusk so

1798
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:39,920
there wasn't anybody working there so

1799
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,880
all we had to do was

1800
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,039
uh ask people like hey is this right way

1801
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,039
to go this is wrong way to go

1802
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:47,359
so i don't know if if there's more than

1803
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,559
one but if there

1804
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:50,400
do you know if there is one or more than

1805
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:52,079
one because i don't know where where

1806
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,359
that would be butterfield trail

1807
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:54,960
because there was some paved roads going

1808
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:56,799
through it through yeah this is this is

1809
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,760
a paved walkway

1810
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,839
yes this is for pedestrian traffic and

1811
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:01,520
it cuts through the park

1812
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:04,240
and rodney letterman and his friend are

1813
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,440
walking on this trail

1814
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:07,440
and they're about a mile or two into

1815
01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:08,799
their walk and

1816
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:11,599
i got this information from a police

1817
01:03:14,950 --> 01:03:12,880
officer

1818
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,960
a deputy sheriff under under condition

1819
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:16,240
of anonymity

1820
01:03:20,549 --> 01:03:18,319
uh so i think it's the real deal and he

1821
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:20,559
told me that uh

1822
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,599
rodney was having a um asthma attack

1823
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,599
and he left his inhaler in a truck right

1824
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,440
he's 32 years old he's got asthma and

1825
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,799
it's acting up

1826
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,319
and he asked his friend he says hey man

1827
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:32,160
i screwed up i left my inhaler back in

1828
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:33,599
the truck could you run back and get it

1829
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,720
for me

1830
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,960
and friend says sure no sweat so his

1831
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,240
buddy runs back to the truck

1832
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:40,640
grabs the inhaler and is back within

1833
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,039
about 35 minutes or so

1834
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,079
gets back there's no rodney letterman

1835
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:48,240
all there is is his cell phone laying on

1836
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:49,520
the ground no

1837
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,119
dude i don't know about you man but my

1838
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:52,960
cell phone's either in my hand or in my

1839
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:53,520
pocket

1840
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:56,640
yep you know and uh and this is a grown

1841
01:04:01,910 --> 01:03:57,680
man

1842
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,920
his buddy um

1843
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:04,319
and and his friend uh the same age

1844
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,039
roughly

1845
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:07,359
calls the ranger station and says my

1846
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,640
buddy is just gone

1847
01:04:12,789 --> 01:04:10,400
he says he was he was wheezing he's in

1848
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,799
no condition to be out walking around

1849
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,319
in this terrain because the terrain's

1850
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:15,839
rocky and and uh

1851
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,920
a lot of overgrowth and it's you know

1852
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,440
it's

1853
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,920
he was ill-equipped to be out there so

1854
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:23,440
they responded right away

1855
01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:26,480
i mean a guy a guy on a quad drove up

1856
01:04:28,950 --> 01:04:27,520
right away

1857
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,960
and got the story and got on a

1858
01:04:32,549 --> 01:04:30,799
walkie-talkie and

1859
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:32,559
got uh there's a neighboring park on the

1860
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,079
other side of the road there's a road

1861
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,000
that divides the two parks

1862
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,640
on the west side is uh devil's den state

1863
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:40,480
park which is an arkansas state park and

1864
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:41,280
on the right

1865
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:44,319
is the ozark national forest well they

1866
01:04:47,910 --> 01:04:45,760
got they called the ozark national

1867
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:47,920
forest and got the federal guys federal

1868
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:49,599
park rangers involved

1869
01:04:53,349 --> 01:04:52,720
and within like 24 hours they had 2500

1870
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,359
people

1871
01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:56,000
searching for rodney letterman they had

1872
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:57,839
aircraft they had helicopters

1873
01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:00,160
with forward-looking infrared radar

1874
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,240
looking for a heat signature

1875
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:04,079
from the from the arkansas air national

1876
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:07,520
guard flying all over the place

1877
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:10,960
and the official search lasted a week

1878
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,799
and found nothing oh and bro

1879
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:17,440
the family paid for trackers and people

1880
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:18,720
to come in

1881
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:20,839
uh and that that search went through

1882
01:05:25,510 --> 01:05:22,400
october

1883
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:25,520
and i published the book in march of

1884
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:26,319
2018

1885
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,760
and i said as of the writing of this

1886
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:29,280
book nothing's been found of rodney

1887
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:30,079
letterman

1888
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:33,200
if something changes i'll let you know

1889
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,240
something changed

1890
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:39,280
an update let's go dude

1891
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:43,200
march 2019 there's a young couple

1892
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:46,640
walking up the butterfield trail and

1893
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:50,000
the woman says looks to her left

1894
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,960
and says to her friend is that an albino

1895
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:54,480
turtle

1896
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,599
and her friend's like what what are you

1897
01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:57,359
talking about and he looks over and they

1898
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,160
walk over

1899
01:06:01,670 --> 01:06:00,799
and here's this log you know maybe eight

1900
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,680
foot long

1901
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:03,760
and it's laying parallel with the trail

1902
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:05,359
it's like part of the trail you know

1903
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:06,480
it's the part that keeps you from

1904
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:07,839
wandering off right

1905
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:10,319
so they got these logs like things and

1906
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:12,079
split rail fences and the like

1907
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,920
but here's this eight-foot log and right

1908
01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:15,920
dead center of this log

1909
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,839
is this football shaped white object

1910
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:21,920
and a guy walks over and picks it up and

1911
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:23,359
looks at it and realizes

1912
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,200
it's a human bone and it's the skull cap

1913
01:06:33,190 --> 01:06:29,039
of rodney letterman verified by the

1914
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:33,200
bartlesville oklahoma medical examiner

1915
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,960
you know what when i heard this when i

1916
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:36,400
read this story the first thing that

1917
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,839
crossed my mind i think back to what you

1918
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:39,839
know when i was a prosecutor and

1919
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,880
that seems to me like a like a staged

1920
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,000
crime scene

1921
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:46,400
that seems to me like that was staged

1922
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,119
somebody

1923
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:49,520
or something put that there sitting on a

1924
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:50,240
lawn because

1925
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:53,039
300 people walk past it every day on the

1926
01:06:59,190 --> 01:06:54,960
butterfield trail

1927
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:59,200
and uh yeah who and why

1928
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,559
and that's all they've ever found to the

1929
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:02,480
guy not not a stitch of clothing or a

1930
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:03,520
boot or

1931
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:07,039
nothing yeah that's insane

1932
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:11,119
so did they okay so the skull maybe

1933
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:12,480
maybe you have more information about

1934
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,319
the skull did it look like it was

1935
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:17,200
cut or were there chew marks on it did

1936
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,799
it look like a saw was that

1937
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:21,680
able to i asked that question the deputy

1938
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,319
sheriff that i

1939
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:25,039
that i talked to told me that it was

1940
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:26,880
broken rough edges

1941
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:30,000
so it wasn't cut but it was it was

1942
01:07:33,109 --> 01:07:31,680
it was broken in such a way that it was

1943
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:33,119
symmetrical

1944
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,640
kind of he described it as being

1945
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:36,319
football shaped

1946
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:38,480
and they treated it as a crime scene you

1947
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:40,400
know human remains that's what they do

1948
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:43,280
and uh you know they tagged it and

1949
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,640
bagged it and shipped it off to the

1950
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:45,760
medical examiner

1951
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,880
in oklahoma and uh right

1952
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,680
dude okay so when i was in arkansas i

1953
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:52,799
got to ask you this when i was in

1954
01:07:56,950 --> 01:07:53,760
arkansas

1955
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:56,960
um uh my wife's little sister goes to

1956
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,599
school there

1957
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:59,520
she was saying that there's a couple of

1958
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,200
rumors in town that there are

1959
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,359
mountain people that live in the

1960
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:05,200
mountains and i know everybody i

1961
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:07,680
first thing i think is bigfoot sure yes

1962
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:08,880
obviously but

1963
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:10,240
this was a new thing i haven't really

1964
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,359
thought about in a really long time

1965
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:12,960
since that movie the hills have

1966
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:16,319
eyes which is totally you know whatever

1967
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,839
like you know the cannibals that live in

1968
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,359
the mountains that are just you know

1969
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:21,359
inbred and just really spooky but

1970
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,679
there's like a rumor in arkansas

1971
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,679
have you heard anything about that like

1972
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:27,279
uh i have heard that rumor

1973
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:29,600
yeah they're called people did you know

1974
01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:30,400
that there are

1975
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,920
caves all kinds of caves in that park

1976
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:36,319
that are now off limits that have been

1977
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,080
off limits for a few years now

1978
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,120
but uh that's new

1979
01:08:44,950 --> 01:08:43,920
and the reason that they gl they give is

1980
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:44,960
that

1981
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,719
the bats in there carry some kind of

1982
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:48,880
disease and they're worried that uh

1983
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,920
there's a you know a chance somebody

1984
01:08:54,789 --> 01:08:53,520
will go in there and catch some disease

1985
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:54,799
from these bats

1986
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:57,839
yeah um but who knows like i say i've

1987
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:58,880
heard that rumor too

1988
01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:01,359
that uh i've heard bigfoot i've heard

1989
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:03,040
yeah like this tribal thing

1990
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,880
going on humans who knows

1991
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,960
like i say the place good has a weird

1992
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:10,719
vibe

1993
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:13,600
who knows it does man when so one of the

1994
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:15,359
trails i told you we went on a trail

1995
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:15,920
that

1996
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,520
on had never been down before

1997
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:21,359
and we we came across this i mean there

1998
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,719
were other people walking we weren't

1999
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,239
by ourselves we definitely saw people

2000
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,719
coming down they seemed fine

2001
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:29,040
and we like one of the first things we

2002
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,640
come across on like the first like

2003
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:31,920
incline so we get

2004
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:34,080
kind of like to the base of the the the

2005
01:09:38,709 --> 01:09:35,520
actual hike

2006
01:09:40,870 --> 01:09:38,719
and there's this cave that has a gate

2007
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:40,880
a metal gate put in front of the

2008
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:42,560
entrance of this cave and i have a photo

2009
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:43,279
of it it's

2010
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,480
oh creepy spooky man yeah those are the

2011
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,239
ones that are off limits okay that's

2012
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:49,759
what they did they put iron

2013
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,159
wrought iron gates in the front and uh

2014
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,080
yep

2015
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:56,560
that was just below i guess that's one

2016
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:58,159
of the mouths of where we eventually

2017
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,760
ended up where you could see down

2018
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:01,280
i mean if you stepped right you didn't

2019
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:02,560
wasn't weren't paying attention you

2020
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:03,679
would fall through

2021
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:06,880
into this like it was treacherous yeah

2022
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:07,600
definitely

2023
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,640
yeah you had well you know in 2017 when

2024
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,679
i wrote the book

2025
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:14,000
i subscribed to the arkansas gazette and

2026
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:14,880
to uh

2027
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:17,760
a couple of the local papers and i

2028
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:18,400
scanned them

2029
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:21,600
every day looking for articles that deal

2030
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,320
with devil's den because like i say

2031
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,880
bureau of parks and recreation in little

2032
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,560
rock won't tell you anything

2033
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,400
yeah like david pilates ran into the

2034
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:31,760
same same obstacle

2035
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:35,040
right yeah missing 4-1-1 yeah

2036
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,800
from what i remember uh the

2037
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,320
documentaries is like in order to get

2038
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:40,159
that information it costs like

2039
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:42,840
millions of dollars to to get that 3

2040
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,040
million

2041
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:48,239
you had you had made a reference uh

2042
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:51,760
uh to david politis in your book

2043
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:55,440
basically talking about the the map

2044
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,120
and how it was interesting that

2045
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:02,400
parks and places with the name devil

2046
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:05,920
or diablo um have a

2047
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:09,600
higher amount of missing people in them

2048
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,719
yeah you know he's a real dad a good dad

2049
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,080
a guy you know

2050
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,120
uh i kind of am to a point but not

2051
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:19,199
you know um that's one thing i wanted to

2052
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,800
talk about about these stories

2053
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,640
was some of the commonalities that i

2054
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:24,239
found yeah

2055
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:26,640
but i had at the time 1400 stories to

2056
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:27,679
pick through

2057
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:29,600
and about 400 of them that are just

2058
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:30,960
really really good

2059
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:34,239
and uh um oh

2060
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,840
and i was going to say back in 2017

2061
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,520
rodney letterman wasn't the only

2062
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,120
casualty in

2063
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,840
devil's den state park earlier in the

2064
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:45,120
year in the spring

2065
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:46,640
i forget which month there was a young

2066
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:49,840
28 year old woman named monica murphy

2067
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,679
who was cruising around the park

2068
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:55,520
by herself and they found her at the

2069
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:58,159
base of a 100-foot cliff

2070
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,679
and after a week she was missing a week

2071
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:04,800
and they rode at a suicide

2072
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:08,560
so you know they've been

2073
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,080
who knows well she wasn't was she like

2074
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,880
this is kind of morbid but i guess eaten

2075
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,800
by animals and stuff i mean did it look

2076
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,640
like any foul play had happened

2077
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:21,679
that you know of or no they

2078
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:23,600
they said the cause of death was

2079
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,280
traumatic uh

2080
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,880
trauma from the hull from falling you

2081
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:28,960
know a hundred feet ten stories

2082
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:32,080
yeah and uh uh there was no mention

2083
01:12:35,830 --> 01:12:32,880
about uh

2084
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,840
predation or you know drug use or

2085
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:37,440
anything like that

2086
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:39,840
um the mother said that she had been

2087
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,239
depressed so maybe it was a suicide

2088
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:44,640
yeah yeah and who knows it could have

2089
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:45,440
been but

2090
01:12:51,270 --> 01:12:48,800
it seems like an odd way um

2091
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:51,280
i don't i don't know many i'd be curious

2092
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:52,400
statistically

2093
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,080
how many women go into an uh state park

2094
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,120
and jump off a 100 foot uh cliff

2095
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,040
right as a means of suicide i mean i

2096
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,199
think they're more you know

2097
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:05,600
cut your wrist or take some pills uh

2098
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,320
right

2099
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,719
because i mean i'm not an i'm not uh

2100
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,800
i've never studied that i'm not an md

2101
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,760
or anything but i i bet it i bet people

2102
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:15,520
that do study that stuff know

2103
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:17,600
and i bet you that's just an odd way for

2104
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,880
a woman to commit suicide

2105
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,480
really for anybody that commits suicide

2106
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:23,040
right right so that's a that's quite the

2107
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,480
uh

2108
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:27,120
you have to think about that you know

2109
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:27,679
like

2110
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:30,719
you're hiking up and then you get there

2111
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:34,000
and then you see this cliff you know

2112
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,360
that's a lot of like

2113
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:37,600
having that's a lot of thought process

2114
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,560
going on

2115
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:41,120
that by the time you got there you would

2116
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,800
probably change your mind

2117
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:44,480
yeah like it's beautiful out there i

2118
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:47,120
mean you would hopefully have some sense

2119
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,360
of

2120
01:13:50,950 --> 01:13:49,440
like man maybe there is something as

2121
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:50,960
opposed to just being like

2122
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:54,080
yeah yeah i'm upset i'm very angry i'm

2123
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,440
gonna end it

2124
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,280
ah here's a bunch of pills i'm just

2125
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:59,199
gonna fall asleep right that seems like

2126
01:14:02,149 --> 01:14:00,159
it's easier

2127
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,159
probably quicker it might suck for a

2128
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,760
little bit maybe

2129
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:06,080
depending on what you took but like it

2130
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:08,080
seems like that would be like an easier

2131
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:09,600
way to go out and not have to think

2132
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:10,800
about it as much

2133
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:14,320
but a hike you know that's a very good

2134
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,679
point uh because i think

2135
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:17,520
what i i don't know much about suicide

2136
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,760
but i mean i i would

2137
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:21,199
think that it would be much easier to

2138
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,880
act on impulse

2139
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,080
and take a bunch of pills than it would

2140
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,840
be to drive to the park and park your

2141
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:27,600
car and get out and take a walk and go

2142
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,719
to this cliff

2143
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,719
and like you said uh you know you made a

2144
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,000
good point uh

2145
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,800
and that is uh when you're standing

2146
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:36,320
there looking at the scenery

2147
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,239
and the beauty of the earth i mean uh

2148
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,480
you know it'd be kind of tough to it's a

2149
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:44,000
job besides that doesn't sound like a

2150
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:45,760
good way to go if you ask me the sudden

2151
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:48,400
deceleration just does not sound like

2152
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:50,480
it's not 100 certainty right like yeah

2153
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:51,679
yeah like when

2154
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:55,199
i yeah but like i think it's 100 sir

2155
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,800
yeah at that height i think it's 100

2156
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:58,800
certain what was the height again

2157
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:01,760
100 feet oh okay well yeah yeah you know

2158
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:02,960
you know how bill burr

2159
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:06,880
has that story uh he talks about the man

2160
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,000
who had terminal cancer and

2161
01:15:14,149 --> 01:15:12,719
uh he just he wanted to go on a on a

2162
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:14,159
helicopter ride

2163
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:16,320
and so he goes with this guy in this

2164
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,159
helicopter ride

2165
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,320
and the guys you know showing him around

2166
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:22,159
you know the city i'm not sure where it

2167
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,960
was but

2168
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:24,480
wherever it was there was a large body

2169
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:26,159
of water and they're up in this

2170
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:27,199
helicopter

2171
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,960
and the guys you know pointing out

2172
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:30,719
certain areas of

2173
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,640
the city and this and that and before he

2174
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,400
knows that the guy who has terminal

2175
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,239
cancer starts unbuttoning

2176
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:38,800
his safety belt and then he opens the

2177
01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:39,600
door

2178
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:42,320
and as they're up in the helicopter he's

2179
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,719
like

2180
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:45,040
i'm going out that's it i'm gonna end it

2181
01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:45,840
right now

2182
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,120
and jumps out of the helicopter slams

2183
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:50,800
into the water

2184
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:54,480
and ends up surviving oh like yeah whoa

2185
01:15:57,590 --> 01:15:57,280
it broke every bone in his body and he

2186
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:57,600
was

2187
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,480
just bruised and bleeding internally

2188
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:02,400
then he still had terminal cancer

2189
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:05,920
and like it's kind of comical but it's

2190
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:06,960
also like so

2191
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:09,440
like bad but like it's it's like dude

2192
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:10,239
like

2193
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:12,159
you know that's some bad luck man it's

2194
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,280
that's just some bad

2195
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,360
luck that's crazy sure that's crazy but

2196
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:17,840
you know he had it in a in a comedy skit

2197
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,320
but i

2198
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,560
i believe it's a it's an actual story

2199
01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:22,159
it's a true story

2200
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:24,960
but yeah i i couldn't yeah i don't know

2201
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:25,280
man

2202
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,640
you're right you're right terry acting

2203
01:16:30,470 --> 01:16:28,800
on impulse seems a lot easier than going

2204
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:30,480
through this whole ordeal

2205
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:32,719
to to do that and you know i've even

2206
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:34,800
heard stuff like you know even going

2207
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:37,120
back to like the ancient times of uh you

2208
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:37,600
know like

2209
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,280
oracles and things like that where

2210
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:41,520
certain caves in certain parts of the

2211
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:42,080
earth

2212
01:16:45,669 --> 01:16:44,960
you know will have this certain gas that

2213
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,679
comes out

2214
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,679
you know from the crust of the earth and

2215
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:49,760
it kind of changes the way you think

2216
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,520
it induces you into like a

2217
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:53,280
hallucinogenic state

2218
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,800
and oracle adelphi yes yeah yes it's

2219
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:57,840
like

2220
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,360
and but if that were to happen to an

2221
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:01,600
average regular person who's like maybe

2222
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,719
taking a hike

2223
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,320
and they come across this cave that

2224
01:17:08,070 --> 01:17:05,760
maybe has some of this gas

2225
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:08,080
in it and then they start to hallucinate

2226
01:17:12,070 --> 01:17:08,960
and like don't

2227
01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:12,080
understand what's happening to them that

2228
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:13,520
seems like something that you could just

2229
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,640
take off running

2230
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,800
and not be paying attention and fall off

2231
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,000
a cliff oh

2232
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,719
you know dude yeah that's that seems

2233
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,080
pretty plausible

2234
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,480
um wow it could be plausible for some of

2235
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:26,560
these you know missing disappearances i

2236
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:28,159
mean i mean we're just speculating here

2237
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:30,000
obviously but dude maybe that's what the

2238
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:31,360
bat guano does

2239
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:33,600
that's why it's gated off some of those

2240
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:34,719
tunnels maybe that

2241
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:38,320
it i don't know it could yeah maybe uh

2242
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,159
logical yeah yeah i don't know

2243
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:44,480
i feel like the science is got to be

2244
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:45,440
there

2245
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:48,239
but my my for some reason my brain goes

2246
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:48,880
to either

2247
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,159
bigfoot or ufos or or aliens

2248
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,080
to me well because it's easier than

2249
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,239
science

2250
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:59,120
i don't know i just it makes more sense

2251
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:00,000
to me because

2252
01:18:05,830 --> 01:18:03,120
we have so many people that have seen

2253
01:18:06,390 --> 01:18:05,840
aliens and alien craft and big bigfoot

2254
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:06,400
in

2255
01:18:12,630 --> 01:18:09,840
those rural areas those beautiful places

2256
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:12,640
right i don't know you know ben you you

2257
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,840
brought up the fact about

2258
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,760
um i think it was you the brought up the

2259
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,440
fact about um

2260
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,520
david politis and the reference to

2261
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:22,320
diablo and devil oh yeah yeah yeah

2262
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,360
and uh his fourth volume

2263
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,440
in the missing 4-1-1 series is called

2264
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:29,920
the devil is in the details

2265
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:31,440
and that's where he shows the

2266
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,920
statistical data about uh

2267
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,360
all that's happened in these places

2268
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:37,199
named devil you know devil's glade

2269
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:39,040
devils lake devil's glenn you know

2270
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:40,239
devil's tower

2271
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:43,360
yes you know there's there's a hundred

2272
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,320
different places

2273
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,880
and uh bad stuff knows is known to

2274
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,000
happen there

2275
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:50,239
that's just weird yeah what do you think

2276
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:51,440
like what

2277
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:54,000
what is it so i mean from your

2278
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:54,800
experience

2279
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:57,840
terry in a place called

2280
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:01,760
devil's den uh you know

2281
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,320
if something like that what do you think

2282
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:05,840
your reaction would have been had you

2283
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:08,239
have been by yourself and not had toby

2284
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,159
with you

2285
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,080
you know i i have two schools of thought

2286
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:14,000
on that and and

2287
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:17,520
number one i think that um

2288
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:19,840
by the time we saw the stars in the sky

2289
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,440
the three stars that were actually the

2290
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,040
ship

2291
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:25,440
we were under we were under the

2292
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:27,199
influence of this thing

2293
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,960
uh it really speaks to the influence of

2294
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:31,120
them because um

2295
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:34,719
but earlier when we were talking there

2296
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:36,320
was a lull in our conversation

2297
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:38,159
and i noticed that the forest went dead

2298
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:39,600
quiet

2299
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:42,880
that spooked me i was unnerved and

2300
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:45,440
had i been by myself i'd have been out

2301
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:46,640
of there

2302
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:49,040
and gone before any influence could have

2303
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:50,480
happened i'd have been long gone

2304
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,640
yeah um but you know i didn't i didn't

2305
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:54,080
want to be that guy you know i

2306
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,719
i uh i didn't want to say like yeah

2307
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:58,560
first time in the woods you're spooked

2308
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:02,320
yeah no not me and uh

2309
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:04,000
it's like an ego thing almost like you

2310
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:05,120
have your buddy you don't want to look

2311
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:05,679
like a

2312
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:08,639
scaredy cat in front of your buddy no

2313
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:09,520
you know

2314
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,159
so i stayed but uh

2315
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,159
i i just can't i scratch my head and i

2316
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,239
just wonder why they still cut the grass

2317
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:20,480
and keep the foliage off this top of

2318
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,760
this plateau

2319
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:23,679
with no paved road they go up there by

2320
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:24,800
tractor

2321
01:20:28,709 --> 01:20:27,840
uh i know for 50 years they've been

2322
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,719
cutting the grass

2323
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:30,320
on top of this stupid plateau in the

2324
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:32,080
middle of nowhere

2325
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:34,400
dude that is that is spooky in itself i

2326
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:35,679
mean for the people that don't know that

2327
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,800
are listening

2328
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,880
i mean yeah sarah you you and your buddy

2329
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:40,639
toby go to camp

2330
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,880
and and you guys find this meadow and

2331
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:44,560
you guys you have your your

2332
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:47,600
photography camera and that's where this

2333
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:49,920
incident happens with the large deltoid

2334
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:52,880
or yeah trying delta shape um that you

2335
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:55,840
say is as big as a walmart

2336
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:58,159
and this this meadow is always kind of

2337
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:59,600
something about it

2338
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,360
being in the middle of nowhere is just

2339
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:04,000
the weirdest it gives me a very uh close

2340
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,840
encounters of the third kind vibe yeah

2341
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:07,520
but it feels familiar

2342
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,760
right but you know like their their

2343
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:10,880
maintenance

2344
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,080
the shape of the the the

2345
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,239
cutout that's up there you know instead

2346
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:18,320
of devil's tower you have devil's den

2347
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:20,320
it's got this you know close encounters

2348
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,159
of the third kind of vibe to it

2349
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:24,800
where they know and they probably go

2350
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:25,840
there

2351
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:28,159
and you guys just so happened to be

2352
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:29,280
there on a day

2353
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:32,480
where when they weren't there and

2354
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:35,280
i don't know man like from your story

2355
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:35,840
and stuff

2356
01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:38,639
it seems like they know a lot more about

2357
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:39,520
that place

2358
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:43,120
than they and steven spielberg was

2359
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:44,080
dialed in

2360
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,679
you know they released that movie the

2361
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:47,360
same year in november

2362
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:50,560
of 1977 so five months after we had our

2363
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:51,120
encounter

2364
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:53,840
they released that movie and uh i didn't

2365
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:56,480
see it for 30 years

2366
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,480
wow you know so i i have trouble

2367
01:22:01,030 --> 01:22:00,560
watching alien stuff i mean i didn't see

2368
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:01,040
uh

2369
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:05,199
independence day until 2018 you know

2370
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:08,880
yeah man well when i finally watched uh

2371
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:11,600
close encounters are the third kind and

2372
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:13,360
uh they showed the door go down

2373
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:15,600
and this like fog and these little guys

2374
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:17,040
come walking out

2375
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,120
i just about flipped out i'll tell you

2376
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:24,400
yeah how close i mean did it was it just

2377
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:26,400
a visceral thing did or was it was it

2378
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,199
accurate in any

2379
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:29,600
any way to to something that you had i

2380
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:31,440
mean there's so many details

2381
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:34,800
but to me those those the long arms and

2382
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:35,760
the long

2383
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:39,040
fingers were something that it's just

2384
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:40,639
i know a lot of people talk about it but

2385
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:42,080
especially in your story

2386
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:44,000
you're so descriptive of of certain

2387
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:45,520
elements of it did that

2388
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,600
resonate with you is that why oh my god

2389
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:49,840
yes yeah oh my god yes

2390
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:53,040
you know it's just like uh 1987 i think

2391
01:22:58,629 --> 01:22:55,520
it was i saw whitley strieber's book

2392
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:58,639
uh communion and that cover has a face

2393
01:23:02,950 --> 01:22:59,920
of an alien on it

2394
01:23:04,790 --> 01:23:02,960
yeah and i saw that and i got dizzy

2395
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:04,800
i was in a shopping mall i had dizzy i

2396
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:06,400
had to leave

2397
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:11,040
you know and i met whitley at

2398
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:14,480
in south dakota two years ago and uh you

2399
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:16,000
know we talked now and then

2400
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:18,400
and one of the things i asked him was

2401
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,320
why did you pick that image

2402
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,480
for the cover of the book and you know

2403
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:23,760
what he said

2404
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:30,070
man cause that's what they look like man

2405
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:30,719
yeah

2406
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:32,800
i i've got a follow-up question terry

2407
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:34,000
the the back to

2408
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:36,080
sorry back one uh close encounters are

2409
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:37,600
the third kind not only like

2410
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:39,280
the way that the aliens look but the way

2411
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:41,520
that they move it's almost puppet-like

2412
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,080
where

2413
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:44,080
if you weren't really in the know and

2414
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:45,440
have talked to a lot of people that have

2415
01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:45,920
seen

2416
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:48,000
entities like this you would think oh

2417
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:50,000
that's just oh that's fake but

2418
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:52,719
from a lot of people that i've we've

2419
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,920
talked to

2420
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:56,400
you don't really know how they move it

2421
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,120
could seem

2422
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:59,760
fake or puppet-like but it's a different

2423
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:00,719
creature

2424
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:03,520
so the way that they move is gonna be

2425
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:04,560
different than

2426
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:07,280
how we move i think so you know and i i

2427
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,800
mentioned that in my book that they had

2428
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,560
a distinctive they walk whether this

2429
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,960
distinctive gate i mean yeah they walked

2430
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,480
almost like their knees were hinged

2431
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,560
to move backward like an inch or two

2432
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:18,239
with each step so that

2433
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:19,920
it looked like they were dragging their

2434
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:22,800
legs behind them um

2435
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:25,199
it was yeah it was it was unique uh

2436
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:26,400
because you're right

2437
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:29,280
they're not human beings they're made

2438
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:30,239
different yeah

2439
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:32,159
sometimes i mean yeah the answer is the

2440
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,280
most obvious one

2441
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:35,760
like yeah just because they're not human

2442
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,280
beings of course they don't walk

2443
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:39,360
it doesn't look real because it's

2444
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:40,960
something that we've never seen before

2445
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:44,560
man you know people tell me oh well you

2446
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,880
the

2447
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:46,719
grays i ran into were totally different

2448
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:48,080
than yours well

2449
01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:50,000
you know so what oh you're probably

2450
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,440
right i mean they were

2451
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:53,760
right i don't doubt the veracity of your

2452
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,719
story i mean

2453
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,800
lots of people see grays and there seems

2454
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,639
to be a dozen different varieties of

2455
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,199
them because i hear all kinds of stories

2456
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,280
but i'll say this the things that i saw

2457
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:05,280
i don't believe were sentient like you

2458
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:06,239
and i are

2459
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,440
right i think i think they're

2460
01:25:13,950 --> 01:25:12,159
manufactured i i think they're you know

2461
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:13,960
ai and quantum computing and

2462
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:16,159
nanotechnology and some biomaterial

2463
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,880
thrown in

2464
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:18,480
and i think they come off an assembly

2465
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,920
line i think

2466
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,760
they're like drones or worker bees

2467
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:23,360
they're task oriented and they do what

2468
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:24,960
they're told that's what i think they

2469
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:26,560
are

2470
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,360
everybody's gonna have a boss right yeah

2471
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:34,960
yeah

2472
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:38,320
do you think um you describe

2473
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:41,600
uh you describe betty and she's

2474
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:42,480
obviously

2475
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:44,480
a lot different than these little worker

2476
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:45,520
bees

2477
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,440
you know yeah yeah she's not one of

2478
01:25:52,709 --> 01:25:49,679
those she's not

2479
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:52,719
but they are uh

2480
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:59,189
that's an interesting it's an

2481
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:00,800
interesting thing i never saw

2482
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,920
betty while i was on the triangle

2483
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:05,040
you know i've seen her at different

2484
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,560
times throughout my life and i i

2485
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:10,320
you know writing this book and talking

2486
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:11,679
about it seems like it's opened a

2487
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:12,639
doorway

2488
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:15,199
and uh you know i've had more dreams and

2489
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:16,560
more memories

2490
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:19,520
and uh and i think they're genuine i i

2491
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:20,159
do

2492
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:22,880
um you know it's like i said i i

2493
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:26,800
recognized betty from my early childhood

2494
01:26:30,790 --> 01:26:29,360
do you think the uh you have a

2495
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:30,800
connection between

2496
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:34,960
your old neighbor and and and betty

2497
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:37,520
do you think that's something that they

2498
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:39,199
uh

2499
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:42,159
that they knew that they kind of played

2500
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:42,960
with

2501
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,960
you know like i don't know it's it's

2502
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:46,239
weird like when you could be like when

2503
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:47,440
you have a dream

2504
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:50,480
and you remember somebody from like 20

2505
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:51,120
years ago

2506
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:54,159
yeah right but you being a kid

2507
01:27:01,830 --> 01:26:57,840
just visually knowing this this neighbor

2508
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,840
um and then meeting betty

2509
01:27:06,310 --> 01:27:04,320
like maybe you had this i don't know

2510
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:06,320
it's like a weird connection like

2511
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:07,679
they didn't maybe she would maybe the

2512
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:09,920
neighbor was put there to condition me

2513
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,880
to not freak out or something who knows

2514
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,639
exactly are they capable of thinking at

2515
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:16,400
that level yeah i think they are oh i

2516
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:17,520
think so too

2517
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:20,239
they are yeah from just multiple stories

2518
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,880
of

2519
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:22,880
you know people saying like yeah a lot

2520
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:25,600
of a lot of meetings that we have

2521
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,760
with other people are completely

2522
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:28,880
orchestrated

2523
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:32,000
by them and

2524
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,480
you just you just if if you're not if

2525
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,920
you're not in the loop or you're not

2526
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:37,920
paying attention you would never know

2527
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,920
but the more and more you pay attention

2528
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:41,280
to it and you start like

2529
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:42,800
picking out these little details you're

2530
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,320
like holy cow

2531
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,400
this feels like a completely and totally

2532
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:48,560
orchestrated event

2533
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:50,080
otherwise like i don't feel like i would

2534
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:51,760
have ever ran into you or

2535
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:55,679
met you you know and i think they're

2536
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,800
absolutely capable of of doing stuff

2537
01:28:01,750 --> 01:27:59,760
like that

2538
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,760
i do too i mean i look at the level of

2539
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,679
influence that they had over us

2540
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:06,080
you know we instead you know our

2541
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:07,440
emotions were totally

2542
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:10,400
uh out of whack i mean it was uh an

2543
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,920
emotive moment we should have been

2544
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:13,760
freaked out we should have been uh

2545
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:15,040
scared to death we should have been

2546
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:16,320
running for our car and we weren't we

2547
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:18,000
were just

2548
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,639
chill just sitting next chilling out

2549
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,199
disinterested right

2550
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,000
crazy yeah one of the interesting things

2551
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:27,679
that you had said was uh you know

2552
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:28,159
there's

2553
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,120
how you're you're

2554
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:37,120
you sit you're sitting in this chair and

2555
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:38,639
you're very calm

2556
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,800
in your docile but at the same time

2557
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:44,719
you say uh it doesn't mean i wasn't

2558
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:45,920
freaked out like

2559
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:48,560
it's just it's such an interesting a

2560
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:49,520
combination

2561
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:52,560
of emotions to have to where you're are

2562
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:53,520
very just

2563
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:55,840
laid back and sitting there but

2564
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:57,920
internally like you're freaking out

2565
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:01,360
but can't express that you know

2566
01:29:06,229 --> 01:29:03,280
yeah you know what i was i had some

2567
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:06,239
surgery a couple surgeries and uh

2568
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:09,280
um one time in particular they gave me

2569
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,000
something

2570
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:12,719
um i think it may have been called verse

2571
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:14,159
ed

2572
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:17,120
um but it put me in that same frame of

2573
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:17,760
mind

2574
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:19,840
and i i recognized that and i thought

2575
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:23,840
this is exactly how it felt on the metal

2576
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:26,000
who gave you that was it the

2577
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,360
anesthesiologist

2578
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,080
okay something they gave me to relax me

2579
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,840
before they got me into the operating

2580
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:33,280
room and uh yeah

2581
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:35,199
you know was it was it a pill form or

2582
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:36,560
was it liquid like an injection it was

2583
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,280
an injection

2584
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:39,440
through an ib what do you remember what

2585
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:40,960
color it was

2586
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:43,679
you know i don't okay the reason i'm

2587
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:45,440
asking is is i i just

2588
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:46,960
i don't know if you're on tick tock

2589
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:48,800
terry but you gotta get on tick tock

2590
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:51,600
but anyway i i i came across a couple of

2591
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:52,880
videos of this guy that has a bunch of

2592
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,400
videos and he's talking about

2593
01:29:58,390 --> 01:29:56,880
this serum that that is an it's also

2594
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:58,400
it's a painkiller but it also makes you

2595
01:30:03,110 --> 01:29:59,040
forget

2596
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:03,120
uh like 20 to 40 minutes of that's it

2597
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:04,800
he says it's a greenish yellow color

2598
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,600
like gatorade yeah but that had to be it

2599
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:09,840
uh because i'll tell you i read up a lot

2600
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:10,800
i read on it

2601
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,239
and uh um it's it's a uh

2602
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,719
amnesiac it's called like you said it'll

2603
01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:17,920
make you

2604
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:21,280
forget yeah that is scary

2605
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:24,159
you know and i think about how e.t will

2606
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:25,679
sit down and work on us

2607
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:28,320
without anesthesia and i think they

2608
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:29,360
operate from a different

2609
01:30:32,629 --> 01:30:31,280
set of ethics than we do you know i

2610
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:32,639
think they think that

2611
01:30:35,669 --> 01:30:35,040
that in their mind it's humane and

2612
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:35,679
within

2613
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:40,480
put them through a bunch of pain then

2614
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:42,560
erase the memory and

2615
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:45,760
it's okay right well they seem to put a

2616
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:46,639
lot of effort

2617
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:49,760
into the screen memory and the aftermath

2618
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,639
the post

2619
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:53,520
but not in the current like i i know you

2620
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,080
were uh

2621
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:56,239
you know dave scott a good buddy of ours

2622
01:31:01,110 --> 01:30:58,000
on sorry space.radio

2623
01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:01,120
uh little plug but man i heard this

2624
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:02,639
story for the first time he was

2625
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:05,440
it was um a couple nights ago he he told

2626
01:31:09,110 --> 01:31:06,800
the the first story where he

2627
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:09,120
he woke up on on the table and i mean i

2628
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:10,480
don't want to tell his story

2629
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:13,760
on our show go listen to that show uh

2630
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:16,960
but man he's he said it it was

2631
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:20,080
very painful and and um his friend

2632
01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:21,120
samantha moet

2633
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:22,800
um and again i don't want to tell too

2634
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:24,239
many stories or

2635
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:26,080
details because it's his story to tell

2636
01:31:31,270 --> 01:31:27,600
not mine but the

2637
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:31,280
pain aspect of it was was another

2638
01:31:36,550 --> 01:31:35,040
um confirmation that whoever's in charge

2639
01:31:37,990 --> 01:31:36,560
or whatever they don't care about the

2640
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:38,000
present time they don't care about

2641
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:38,960
hurting you it's

2642
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:40,800
yes they wait until the end they're like

2643
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:42,239
okay we'll just wipe it and here's a

2644
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,320
screen memory and they'll be fine

2645
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:46,480
yeah so i think there's a lot of

2646
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:47,679
credence what you're saying they don't

2647
01:31:51,750 --> 01:31:48,719
really care

2648
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:51,760
it's a different ethic it is you know

2649
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:54,480
uh and when two things samantha moat you

2650
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:55,440
know what is it

2651
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:58,080
m-o-a-t yeah mullet that's how i say it

2652
01:32:01,830 --> 01:31:59,040
yes

2653
01:32:03,189 --> 01:32:01,840
yeah some somebody uh last week said man

2654
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:03,199
you ought to talk to this woman

2655
01:32:06,310 --> 01:32:05,520
oh my god you got to talk to samantha

2656
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:06,320
moet

2657
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:09,040
uh she is amazing literally the sweetest

2658
01:32:14,070 --> 01:32:10,320
person in the world

2659
01:32:16,709 --> 01:32:14,080
and i'm telling you our chat that we had

2660
01:32:17,910 --> 01:32:16,719
a couple weeks ago maybe a month maybe

2661
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:17,920
more than a month

2662
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:20,960
it's amazing man uh if you want to uh

2663
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:23,840
hear a little bit of her story but um

2664
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:24,800
yeah she's just

2665
01:32:31,030 --> 01:32:28,000
a phenomenal person has so many amazing

2666
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:31,040
experiences and she has a really great

2667
01:32:35,350 --> 01:32:33,520
outlook on on everything and is able to

2668
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:35,360
break things down and understand it and

2669
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:36,239
then

2670
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:40,400
understandable for us because there's a

2671
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:42,159
lot of spirituality involved and there's

2672
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:43,600
a lot of purpose

2673
01:32:48,149 --> 01:32:46,639
and meaningfulness to it there's not not

2674
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:48,159
everything's love and light with her

2675
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:49,920
story there's a lot of really traumatic

2676
01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:50,960
things

2677
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:52,880
uh but man i i really think he'd enjoy

2678
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:54,719
talking to her she's on a whole new

2679
01:32:57,270 --> 01:32:55,840
level

2680
01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:57,280
if you guys could shoot me an email and

2681
01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:58,960
be appreciated absolutely

2682
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:01,280
definitely yeah you know talking about

2683
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:02,320
screen memories i

2684
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:04,880
i wanted to bring up uh in the in the

2685
01:33:08,950 --> 01:33:06,320
red book in the new book

2686
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:08,960
um i've got some really cool examples of

2687
01:33:12,550 --> 01:33:10,239
screen memories that people

2688
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:12,560
sent to me and if we got time i'd like

2689
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:13,679
to go in for one or two

2690
01:33:16,709 --> 01:33:15,760
absolutely man yeah let's do that

2691
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:16,719
absolutely

2692
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:20,560
the first case um you know i chose

2693
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:22,480
i had 400 cases that i picked through

2694
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:24,560
that i distilled down to being the best

2695
01:33:28,629 --> 01:33:26,560
of the best and i took the best 50 and

2696
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:28,639
then finally the best 30.

2697
01:33:36,470 --> 01:33:34,870
the first case is called the christmas

2698
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:36,480
store

2699
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:39,440
and this sixth pardon me 76 year old

2700
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:41,760
woman from henderson nevada

2701
01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,320
gets a hold of me sends me an email

2702
01:33:48,790 --> 01:33:46,800
tells me this amazing story

2703
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:48,800
i emailed her back and i said can i ask

2704
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:50,400
you some questions and of course i asked

2705
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:51,920
her 50 questions and

2706
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:53,840
we went back and forth a couple times

2707
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:55,760
and

2708
01:33:59,750 --> 01:33:57,760
she finally says this is awkward can you

2709
01:34:02,390 --> 01:33:59,760
just call me and i'm like sure

2710
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:02,400
happy to and i'm kind of glad because i

2711
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,080
kind of wanted to hear her voice

2712
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,880
to kind of assess her cognitive ability

2713
01:34:12,149 --> 01:34:08,320
you know

2714
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:12,159
writes really well

2715
01:34:18,070 --> 01:34:15,600
so i get her on the phone and

2716
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:18,080
man she is cognitively intact she has

2717
01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:21,280
sharpest attacks she is

2718
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:23,280
and she told me the most amazing story

2719
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:26,000
in 1968

2720
01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:28,320
she was newly married to this guy who

2721
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:30,320
was a nephrologist a kidney doctor

2722
01:34:35,189 --> 01:34:33,520
in las vegas nevada and they had good

2723
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:35,199
friends in reno and she was originally

2724
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:36,560
from reno

2725
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:38,159
and they would make the drive once a

2726
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,520
month you know well you know how doctors

2727
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:41,520
are they work 70 hours a week

2728
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,360
well you know once a month he got a four

2729
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:44,800
day weekend

2730
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:48,560
went to the uh

2731
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:51,760
from vegas to reno and he went on an old

2732
01:34:54,790 --> 01:34:53,520
highway said there was a new one now but

2733
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:54,800
the old highway

2734
01:34:59,350 --> 01:34:57,199
uh and there was a stop about halfway a

2735
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:59,360
little town called tunipa

2736
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:01,600
and it's still there and there was like

2737
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:04,960
a truck stop they called the stagecoach

2738
01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:07,360
because it used to be a stagecoach stop

2739
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:08,560
yeah

2740
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:11,040
and there was a restaurant there uh it's

2741
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:12,400
called uh

2742
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:15,199
i had a friend of mine uh drive through

2743
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:15,840
there

2744
01:35:21,830 --> 01:35:19,360
called uh the station

2745
01:35:23,189 --> 01:35:21,840
now sweet but it's what used to be the

2746
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:23,199
stagecoach

2747
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:26,480
and uh she said they went there and they

2748
01:35:30,470 --> 01:35:28,639
had dinner they got a late start they

2749
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:30,480
usually do this trip during the daytime

2750
01:35:35,109 --> 01:35:33,040
he got held up at the hospital so they

2751
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:35,119
didn't get on the road till after dark

2752
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:36,560
so it's late when they get there it's

2753
01:35:40,790 --> 01:35:38,639
like nine o'clock or something

2754
01:35:42,629 --> 01:35:40,800
and they have a nice dinner and she said

2755
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,639
they filled the car up with gas

2756
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,719
and i'm like well did you have anything

2757
01:35:48,470 --> 01:35:45,920
to drink you know

2758
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:48,480
did you take any medication do you wear

2759
01:35:53,030 --> 01:35:49,920
eyeglasses

2760
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:53,040
uh you know your husband paul how about

2761
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:54,000
the same for him

2762
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:55,600
like no we never had anything to drink

2763
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:57,040
our eyes were good

2764
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:00,000
you know the windshield was clean um you

2765
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:01,600
know we weren't uh

2766
01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:04,320
under any medication that's that's a

2767
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:04,960
good

2768
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:06,320
i just got back from a road trip the

2769
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:08,320
windshield thing that's a thing

2770
01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:12,480
so the thing it is yes and and

2771
01:36:15,830 --> 01:36:14,719
um especially whey light can refract on

2772
01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:15,840
uh on

2773
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,800
on on glass so she said that they left

2774
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:20,159
the stagecoach

2775
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:23,440
and they are driving toward reno and

2776
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:25,840
they're about 10 miles out of tunipa

2777
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:30,320
and they saw a glow on the horizon and

2778
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:33,520
she said it was a like a small box store

2779
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:36,719
box stape box shaped store

2780
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:39,280
and it had the word christmas and green

2781
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:40,560
neon lights

2782
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:43,840
on top of it and this is 1968

2783
01:36:48,629 --> 01:36:46,800
and it's march yeah and she said number

2784
01:36:52,229 --> 01:36:48,639
one she'd never seen a store devoted

2785
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:52,239
wholly to the christmas holiday

2786
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:53,760
two she said the place looked like it

2787
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:55,760
was open she said there were

2788
01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,280
uh christmas tree lights like a hundred

2789
01:37:03,669 --> 01:37:01,760
of them wrapped around the building

2790
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:03,679
and at the inside there were windows and

2791
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:07,520
the inside of it was lit up like insane

2792
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:09,600
so they're both looking at this thing

2793
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:11,520
she says paul pull over

2794
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:13,119
and she says that her husband pulled off

2795
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:14,639
the off the main drive

2796
01:37:18,790 --> 01:37:16,320
and onto the shoulder of the road

2797
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:18,800
directly in front of this place

2798
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:21,920
and it sits back from the roadways and

2799
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:22,719
uh

2800
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:24,239
they could see these bright lights

2801
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,719
inside and they could see shadows

2802
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:28,880
and uh she tells her husband she says

2803
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:30,960
pull in i want to see if they're open

2804
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:33,119
they look like they're open heck yeah i

2805
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:35,840
gotta go in the christmas store man

2806
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:37,440
yeah but you know what he says yeah but

2807
01:37:42,149 --> 01:37:39,119
where do i pull over

2808
01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:42,159
he said she said there was no egress her

2809
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:42,880
words

2810
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:45,280
there was no driveway there was no way

2811
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,080
into it

2812
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:48,639
and then they're looking there is no

2813
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:50,080
paved parking lot

2814
01:37:57,109 --> 01:37:53,760
it's sand and sagebrush whoa

2815
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,119
so it's it's just a box square store

2816
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:59,760
in the off the side of the road in the

2817
01:38:04,709 --> 01:38:00,719
desert

2818
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,719
says christmas that's a screen memory

2819
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:06,639
for a ufo if i've ever heard it

2820
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:09,199
oh no kidding no okay and her story gets

2821
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:09,760
better

2822
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,520
and i'll tell you you know i talk to

2823
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:13,280
this woman and i don't know many 76 year

2824
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:15,119
old women that make up fairy tales

2825
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:18,239
you know and she told me you know i'm 76

2826
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,000
i'm looking at my own mortality here i

2827
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:22,080
lost my husband in 1983.

2828
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:23,520
she's like you know i i just want to

2829
01:38:27,430 --> 01:38:25,119
make sure that the story

2830
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,440
goes on and i said i promise you you'll

2831
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:29,040
be number one in my book

2832
01:38:34,709 --> 01:38:32,080
dude that's so cool i love that so

2833
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:34,719
they went to they've interestingly she

2834
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,280
said

2835
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:37,119
this is this was really valuable time

2836
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:38,639
for the two of them you know it was time

2837
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:39,679
for them to talk

2838
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,960
and catch up and uh

2839
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:44,719
she never slept in the car she got in

2840
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,159
the car after they drove away from this

2841
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:48,400
christmas store oh the other part is

2842
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:50,560
when they first pulled up and they're

2843
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,320
looking at the store

2844
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:54,480
they kind of she said her words were we

2845
01:38:59,750 --> 01:38:58,159
kind of zoned out for a minute or two

2846
01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:59,760
yeah and i said what do you mean you

2847
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:01,360
zoned out

2848
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:02,719
he says i don't know we were just kind

2849
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:05,360
of mesmerized by the thing

2850
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:08,560
and we didn't talk we just stared at it

2851
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:10,080
and i said well do you think he could

2852
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,159
have missing time

2853
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:14,159
and she thought about it for a moment

2854
01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:15,600
and kind of laughed and said

2855
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:18,719
i don't know how would you know it's a

2856
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:19,600
fair question

2857
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:21,679
that's a good question yeah how would

2858
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:22,960
you know

2859
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:26,000
yeah i mean i don't know when you're i'm

2860
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,320
not

2861
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:28,480
a person that looks at the time all all

2862
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,840
the time

2863
01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:31,280
so especially if you're on the road like

2864
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,280
a road trip if you're

2865
01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:35,600
there for a while it's hard to know like

2866
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:36,480
check oh

2867
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,480
i stopped here at 9 09 p.m and then

2868
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:43,199
being able to so maybe yeah i mean i

2869
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,360
used to drive a 1970 impala

2870
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:47,440
and it didn't have a clock in it you

2871
01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:49,600
know and you didn't have your cell phone

2872
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:52,159
or anything to look at in the 60s you

2873
01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:52,719
know

2874
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:55,520
the only thing was maybe a wrist watch

2875
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:56,960
or something

2876
01:40:04,149 --> 01:40:00,239
wristwatch yeah but you know what though

2877
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:04,159
um in 1987 i talked about in devil's den

2878
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:06,320
i lost two hours of time on a motorcycle

2879
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:06,800
ride

2880
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:09,440
right yeah and i gotta tell you it was

2881
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:10,159
as if

2882
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:13,440
motion picture film

2883
01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:15,040
and somebody took scissors and just

2884
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:16,639
chopped out 30 feet in the middle

2885
01:40:19,990 --> 01:40:18,880
and then spliced it it was a seamless

2886
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:20,000
transition

2887
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:22,960
i mean man i was going about 75 maybe 80

2888
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:24,560
on my on my bike

2889
01:40:27,510 --> 01:40:26,320
and i'm coming to a curve i know a curve

2890
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:27,520
is coming because i'm familiar i've

2891
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,480
drove this route

2892
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,280
you know dozens of times um and it's

2893
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:33,520
it's in the country it's pleasant drive

2894
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:36,880
no cops play paved road no traffic so

2895
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,159
i dial back my speed to about 60

2896
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:42,800
i blink and the next thing i know i'm

2897
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:46,000
doing 30 miles an hour on a gravel road

2898
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:49,920
what yeah and that's too fast on gravel

2899
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,920
by the way

2900
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:53,440
you know what i never took my bike on

2901
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:55,360
gravel i mean i just wouldn't do it

2902
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:57,040
it's dangerous and it's bad for my bike

2903
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:58,880
i'm going to risk a paint chip come on

2904
01:41:03,910 --> 01:41:01,600
i'm not going to do that

2905
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,920
i'm thinking man you know am i that

2906
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,600
absent-minded now

2907
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:07,520
because you know i could be i could get

2908
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,280
involved in my thoughts and

2909
01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:10,880
be absent-minded and that's what i

2910
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:12,159
that's what i chalked it up to yeah

2911
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:13,840
that's fair i had a wristwatch

2912
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:17,040
but i had on it was september

2913
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,800
and it was cold in michigan so i had

2914
01:41:22,470 --> 01:41:20,960
leather oh yeah um you know gloves and

2915
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,480
leather jacket on so i couldn't get to

2916
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:23,920
my watch if i wanted to but

2917
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,159
i didn't care i knew how long the route

2918
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,800
took me i knew i would be home by 10 30

2919
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,719
and time to make pancakes for my kids

2920
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,639
and my wife for breakfast i

2921
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:34,080
was certain of that and i'm known for

2922
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:37,760
being prompt i'm not not one to be late

2923
01:41:41,270 --> 01:41:39,840
so i thought well you know i'm just

2924
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:41,280
being an absent mind i turned the bike

2925
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:42,800
around i went back

2926
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,040
uh and about a mile or two down the road

2927
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:48,000
i hit the main drag the pavement again

2928
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,080
and made her right just went home and i

2929
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,400
got home and here my wife is flipping

2930
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:54,159
out she's going nuts

2931
01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,199
and uh i was two hours late so you

2932
01:42:01,109 --> 01:41:59,679
you took a a turn that was not in the

2933
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:01,119
direction of your home and you woke up

2934
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:02,800
on that turn

2935
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,880
i yeah i never i have no memory making

2936
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:06,000
that turn whatsoever

2937
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:09,280
my memory is seamless wow i was driving

2938
01:42:15,510 --> 01:42:12,400
uh i was throttling back to about

2939
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,520
60 and i was anticipating this curve

2940
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:17,119
coming up

2941
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:18,560
and the next thing i know it's like i

2942
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:20,560
blinked and in that instant

2943
01:42:28,149 --> 01:42:23,679
i'm on a gravel road doing 30. yeah

2944
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:28,159
whoa yeah that's insane

2945
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:29,920
that's insane that would be it seems to

2946
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:32,239
me like way too difficult if i was

2947
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:33,199
putting myself in

2948
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:35,280
their shoes way too difficult why don't

2949
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:36,320
why don't you just wait till they go to

2950
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:36,719
sleep

2951
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:39,600
why what's so urgent about taking people

2952
01:42:43,030 --> 01:42:40,320
when they're

2953
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:43,040
you know going going 75 miles an hour on

2954
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,400
a highway or

2955
01:42:49,750 --> 01:42:47,679
or in their car maybe it's easier

2956
01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:49,760
they're unsuspecting they're not

2957
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:51,760
thinking about it you know maybe maybe

2958
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:53,360
they don't put up a fight you know

2959
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,040
maybe i'm thinking about there's there's

2960
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:56,880
something to do with this because i

2961
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:58,960
i often do this when you know because

2962
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:00,639
i've missed the exit to go

2963
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:03,119
every time you go every time when i go

2964
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:04,400
to joe's house i

2965
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:07,440
yeah long story but i i just zone out

2966
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,920
man

2967
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,679
and i you when you do that you're in

2968
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,679
this r mode your rim

2969
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:13,920
cycle it's like a different not sleeping

2970
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:15,360
but you're still awake and you just

2971
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:16,639
you're so comfortable with the route

2972
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:18,159
that you just forget where you're going

2973
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:18,800
so

2974
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:21,920
leaves you vulnerable

2975
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:23,679
and you're vibrating at this certain

2976
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:26,000
your brain's vibrating at a certain

2977
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:28,719
frequency that it's easier to tap in and

2978
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:31,520
kind of take over and take over control

2979
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,040
but i don't know maybe that's you know

2980
01:43:36,550 --> 01:43:34,880
what i think i think they do it because

2981
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:36,560
they can

2982
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:39,840
i think they do it that's fair from

2983
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:42,159
somebody yeah that's fair i will

2984
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,400
that's probably the 76 year old woman

2985
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:46,960
get this now there's more to the story

2986
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:50,080
they go she falls asleep almost

2987
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:50,800
immediately

2988
01:43:54,149 --> 01:43:52,320
as soon as her husband pulls back on the

2989
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:54,159
highway she's never done that

2990
01:43:57,189 --> 01:43:55,679
you know and hundreds of trips she's

2991
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:57,199
never done that before

2992
01:44:01,669 --> 01:44:00,320
she slept all the way to the city limits

2993
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,679
and then her husband woke her up and

2994
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:03,360
they went to the hotel and they checked

2995
01:44:06,550 --> 01:44:03,679
in

2996
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:06,560
and they didn't make note of the time

2997
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,400
and they usually watch some tv or do

2998
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:10,080
something unwind they didn't do that

2999
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,600
that night they went in they dropped

3000
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:13,040
their suitcases

3001
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,400
you know took off their clothes and went

3002
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:16,400
to bed and they were just

3003
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:20,560
out and they they would normally sleep

3004
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:24,159
you know till about eight or nine um

3005
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:25,679
and granted they got in a little later

3006
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:27,679
but she doesn't know what time

3007
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,960
uh but it should have been you know

3008
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:30,880
around 11 or something i don't know she

3009
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:31,760
said

3010
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:34,400
um but they slept until their friends

3011
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,800
woke them up by telephone at 10 o'clock

3012
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:38,639
and they felt really kind of out of

3013
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:40,480
sorts and just kind of like they didn't

3014
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:41,679
have their wits about them

3015
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:43,840
for a day for 24 hours and they were

3016
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:44,960
back to normal

3017
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:46,960
yeah and then at the fourth day they

3018
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:49,199
headed back to uh

3019
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,239
to uh las vegas and

3020
01:44:55,350 --> 01:44:54,639
she said to her husband on the way back

3021
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:55,360
she says

3022
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,520
you know that uh that christmas store

3023
01:45:01,590 --> 01:44:59,119
that crazy store we saw

3024
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:01,600
can we stop at that that's been on my

3025
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:02,239
mind

3026
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:03,920
and her husband's like oh yeah it's on

3027
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:05,280
my mind too and we're

3028
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:08,560
we're there we'll stop so you know the

3029
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:10,480
story right you know what happens

3030
01:45:18,950 --> 01:45:16,950
no christmas store yeah

3031
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:18,960
and then then they start comparing notes

3032
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:21,199
because they hadn't really discussed it

3033
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:24,320
and she said i remembered it being a

3034
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:25,440
brick building

3035
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:27,440
she said i'm absolutely certain it was a

3036
01:45:31,990 --> 01:45:28,880
brick building

3037
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:32,000
no doubt in my mind but her husband

3038
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:33,840
said that it was made of rustic barn

3039
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:36,080
wood

3040
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,040
there's that like bless you thank you it

3041
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:41,199
was a sneeze hey bless you man

3042
01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:45,040
that that's another oh another uh

3043
01:45:48,550 --> 01:45:47,679
point of data where this phenomenon

3044
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,560
whatever it is

3045
01:45:52,470 --> 01:45:51,520
if it's i mean obviously it's physical

3046
01:45:54,870 --> 01:45:52,480
in

3047
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,880
a lot of cases uh but there is this

3048
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,800
aspect where maybe it's both

3049
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:58,400
uh maybe there's a higher percentage in

3050
01:46:02,390 --> 01:46:00,560
some people but some people

3051
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,400
see something and the other see another

3052
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:03,920
it's subjective sometimes

3053
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:06,560
and are we saying this is a the screen

3054
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,080
memory or are we saying that

3055
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:10,960
in real time they're actually seeing

3056
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:12,560
something different we were talking

3057
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:14,320
about the cave earlier with with some

3058
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:16,159
type of science or whatever

3059
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:20,239
maybe these entities can also manipulate

3060
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:23,199
uh the the way your brain chemistry

3061
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,000
works

3062
01:46:29,030 --> 01:46:26,320
in real time and and another species

3063
01:46:31,830 --> 01:46:29,040
doesn't know how to do that yet so they

3064
01:46:32,229 --> 01:46:31,840
they do screen memories instead uh right

3065
01:46:34,709 --> 01:46:32,239
you know i

3066
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:34,719
i had this thought the other night where

3067
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:35,679
um

3068
01:46:42,870 --> 01:46:39,280
eye sees

3069
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:42,880
strange man

3070
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:44,560
and obviously i don't know the full

3071
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:46,400
science i'm just a doctor scientist

3072
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:50,960
yeah i mean we all know but uh

3073
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,800
but what we see in our eye is is a

3074
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:56,400
projection of light bouncing off of

3075
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:58,320
things and then it's upside down

3076
01:47:02,229 --> 01:47:00,560
and then it's like our there's a space

3077
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:02,239
in between what's actually there and

3078
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:03,760
what our brain

3079
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:06,560
decodes and reformats so there's already

3080
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:06,960
that

3081
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:09,040
little lag moment like for instance this

3082
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:12,800
live stream we have a 20-second delay so

3083
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:15,119
we can kind of alter this if we wanted

3084
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:16,800
to if we if we needed to you know shut

3085
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,000
off our microphone or

3086
01:47:23,109 --> 01:47:20,639
or maybe change the visual we could do

3087
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:23,119
that if we wanted to like that's just

3088
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:26,080
easy but man what if you just what if

3089
01:47:30,310 --> 01:47:27,360
these entities can

3090
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:30,320
can alter what you see in real time um i

3091
01:47:32,629 --> 01:47:30,719
guess

3092
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,639
i'm repeating myself but yeah like maybe

3093
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:34,480
one species can do that another has to

3094
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,199
rely on

3095
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:37,360
on screen memories well you know i think

3096
01:47:40,149 --> 01:47:39,360
you bring up a very valid point and that

3097
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:40,159
is um

3098
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:42,400
actually a couple points and as if you

3099
01:47:46,390 --> 01:47:43,679
think about it

3100
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:46,400
do we ever see anything objectively can

3101
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,719
we

3102
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:48,239
as human beings ever see anything

3103
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:50,000
objectively right i mean i'm looking

3104
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:52,480
at the screen right now i'm 18 inches

3105
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:53,679
away from it

3106
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:56,239
that light has to travel some amount of

3107
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:56,960
time

3108
01:48:01,590 --> 01:48:00,080
before it hits my retina is recognized

3109
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,600
through the optic nerve and into my

3110
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:03,360
brain and

3111
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:06,960
in that regard i can never see you guys

3112
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:10,960
in real time never right yeah

3113
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:15,840
so everything we see is subjective

3114
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,159
yeah that is so creepy to think about

3115
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:20,639
man like there is no

3116
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:23,360
there's no time this time doesn't exist

3117
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:24,719
we make it we made it up

3118
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:27,840
we made it up um and yeah

3119
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:29,600
like in the fact that it takes light

3120
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:31,199
from the sun like what is it like eight

3121
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:31,600
seconds

3122
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:32,960
or is it eight eight minutes eight

3123
01:48:36,870 --> 01:48:35,119
minutes something could blow up and we

3124
01:48:37,620 --> 01:48:36,880
wouldn't know it for eight minutes oh my

3125
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:37,630
god

3126
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,280
[Music]

3127
01:48:44,830 --> 01:48:41,520
we would know eventually but eventually

3128
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:44,840
maybe we won't no we wouldn't know

3129
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:50,159
yeah so terry i gotta ask you man did uh

3130
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,520
did your wife end up making those

3131
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:53,760
pancakes like even though you were late

3132
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:54,320
oh no

3133
01:48:57,750 --> 01:48:56,080
pancakes were off the menu that day they

3134
01:49:01,189 --> 01:48:57,760
were off the menu completely

3135
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:01,199
okay yeah i had some children pancakes

3136
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:04,320
i'm sure she was pissed the the crazy

3137
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:06,320
thing about that motorcycle ride was my

3138
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:06,960
wife

3139
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:08,480
i've had all kinds of crazy things

3140
01:49:10,709 --> 01:49:10,000
happen to me and i've seen all kinds of

3141
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:10,719
crazy things

3142
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:14,000
my wife has had precisely one event in

3143
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:15,280
her life

3144
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:18,560
you know and just one and it was the

3145
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,679
night before i went on a motorcycle ride

3146
01:49:26,550 --> 01:49:23,760
she woke up 2 30 3 o'clock in the

3147
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:26,560
morning and uh

3148
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:29,119
i wasn't in bed but you didn't see the

3149
01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:30,239
hall light or the

3150
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:33,280
bathroom light on and

3151
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:35,599
she notices at the foot of the bed there

3152
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:36,400
was a window

3153
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:38,159
in back of the foot of our bed and

3154
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:41,599
silhouetted against that window

3155
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:46,400
is this short little woman

3156
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:47,840
and she can't see her clearly because

3157
01:49:54,629 --> 01:49:53,109
but my wife's not wigged out she doesn't

3158
01:49:55,589 --> 01:49:54,639
grab the pistol she doesn't shoot

3159
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:55,599
anybody

3160
01:49:59,430 --> 01:49:58,800
she just looks at this woman and this

3161
01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:59,440
woman

3162
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:02,159
said to her like immediately she said

3163
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:03,440
everything's okay

3164
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:06,530
go back to sleep and that's what she did

3165
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:08,000
[Music]

3166
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:10,000
she rolled over and went back to sleep

3167
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,040
man

3168
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:13,840
i had this weird thing happen to me uh a

3169
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:15,840
couple weeks ago

3170
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:19,040
i had gotten up and i i went to the

3171
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:20,800
restroom really quick

3172
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:23,760
i came out and it was probably like it's

3173
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:25,119
probably

3174
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,679
2 30 almost three o'clock in the morning

3175
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:29,280
which is kind of that uh

3176
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,360
you know that time right that's what it

3177
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:33,360
always happens then yeah

3178
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:36,480
so i come out of the bathroom

3179
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:40,239
and i go back to bed and i lay down

3180
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:44,000
and i my arm rolls over and

3181
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:47,760
my wife isn't there and i'm like

3182
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,840
this is not happening right now like i'm

3183
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:50,800
like okay

3184
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:53,040
okay uh-oh this is not happening right

3185
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:54,080
now um

3186
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:56,560
and so i get up and same thing terry

3187
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:57,119
like

3188
01:51:01,430 --> 01:50:59,440
the bathroom light isn't on in the

3189
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:01,440
hallway i don't see

3190
01:51:07,510 --> 01:51:04,480
i don't see anything nothing

3191
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:07,520
so i kind of like you know

3192
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:10,080
i i'm upstairs so in order to get out of

3193
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:10,800
the house

3194
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:14,719
got to go downstairs anyways

3195
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:18,960
as i'm slowly like inching my way down

3196
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:21,440
this hallway to my staircase

3197
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:23,199
my wife comes walking out and almost

3198
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:24,639
knocked her ass out down those

3199
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:26,719
staircases because she scared the crap

3200
01:51:29,589 --> 01:51:27,840
out of me

3201
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:29,599
like it was terrible she just went to go

3202
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:31,119
get a drink of water but

3203
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:34,080
it was one of the dude like just when

3204
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,920
you start hearing all these stories and

3205
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:37,599
listening to the accounts of people and

3206
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,000
then

3207
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:40,639
something something so accurate happens

3208
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:41,360
and you're like

3209
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:43,199
no way it's three o'clock i've seen this

3210
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:44,560
before life isn't here

3211
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:46,639
i i even picked dude i even picked up my

3212
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,000
phone to make sure that

3213
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:50,400
it was like the time that i went into

3214
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:51,440
the bathroom like

3215
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:53,520
did i like miss an hour or two and now

3216
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:55,520
my wife is gone and he scared

3217
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:58,560
the crap out of me yeah dude like

3218
01:52:01,990 --> 01:52:01,599
you know dude yeah it's a little off

3219
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:02,000
topic

3220
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,520
but no no no it's spot on yeah

3221
01:52:10,229 --> 01:52:08,000
terry so you're talking about uh this

3222
01:52:11,750 --> 01:52:10,239
okay so the wife store your wife story

3223
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,760
about hearing this voice did

3224
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:13,840
do you recall her saying like does she

3225
01:52:18,229 --> 01:52:15,040
describe it as

3226
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:18,239
she heard it audibly or no glad you

3227
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:19,679
asked that for one thing she didn't tell

3228
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:21,040
me about it the next day

3229
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:23,760
okay because the next day the motorcycle

3230
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:25,360
event happened and she was upset and

3231
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:26,480
didn't think about it

3232
01:52:31,109 --> 01:52:29,760
but the following day when things have

3233
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:31,119
calmed down and we're kind of back to

3234
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,080
normal

3235
01:52:35,350 --> 01:52:34,320
she sits down she said i had an odd

3236
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:35,360
thing happen

3237
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:38,239
you know saturday night and she said she

3238
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:39,679
told me the story

3239
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:42,719
and uh she's and i she said that the

3240
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:43,360
woman

3241
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:45,440
she couldn't see her lips but she didn't

3242
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:47,119
hear her with her ears

3243
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:49,199
she said she heard her audibly in her

3244
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:50,480
head

3245
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:54,000
say everything is okay go back to bed

3246
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:57,760
so yeah telepathic yeah

3247
01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:59,679
wow you guys know jason bland from

3248
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:01,760
paranormal soup

3249
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:05,520
know jason

3250
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:07,440
like yeah jason's a cool guy he's a good

3251
01:53:10,550 --> 01:53:08,719
guy uh hell yeah

3252
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:10,560
that's cool he's had a he's had a very

3253
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,320
strange camping trip

3254
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:15,360
uh this adventure very similar to mine

3255
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:18,800
in a lot of ways wow and i had him on

3256
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:22,800
my podcast as a guest and uh

3257
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:25,920
he had an event i don't it's on it's on

3258
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:26,480
youtube

3259
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:27,599
anybody could see it so i don't think

3260
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,599
he'd mind me telling the story right but

3261
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:31,599
he got up one night to use the bathroom

3262
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:35,360
and uh you know uh he was standing

3263
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,520
and he lost some time

3264
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:41,360
i mean uh i don't remember how much but

3265
01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:43,920
a significant amount of time

3266
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:47,040
and yeah

3267
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:50,080
so ben and i just this

3268
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,760
this past year have had some kind of

3269
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:56,000
kind of strange things happen

3270
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:58,800
like we've seen some kind of weird stuff

3271
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:00,400
you know our whole lives

3272
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:03,280
maybe we've seen you know who knows man

3273
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:04,719
you know who knows whatever

3274
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:06,320
maybe we just never paid attention to it

3275
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:07,840
but maybe now that we're just doing this

3276
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:09,760
we're just paying more attention but

3277
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:11,199
we've had a couple of weird things

3278
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:13,360
happen to us and so like

3279
01:54:17,589 --> 01:54:15,920
now like the story about my wife like

3280
01:54:20,070 --> 01:54:17,599
now that that's happened

3281
01:54:20,709 --> 01:54:20,080
now i i think about it and it's like

3282
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:20,719
okay

3283
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:23,040
was that just like the like the

3284
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:24,400
beginning of the story

3285
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,800
is this like you know like yeah were we

3286
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:28,800
just kind of seen this thing and

3287
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:31,040
right you know now it's just top of mind

3288
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:32,080
so

3289
01:54:35,589 --> 01:54:34,480
right now when strange things happen

3290
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:35,599
luckily

3291
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:39,520
that i know of nothing's happened

3292
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:43,599
but yeah it's it just really makes you

3293
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:44,320
think

3294
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:45,760
you know especially with all this

3295
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:48,320
missing time and not remembering

3296
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:51,520
and then like even like with people

3297
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:53,760
you know another strange commonality

3298
01:54:58,310 --> 01:54:55,840
between like the abduction scenario

3299
01:54:59,189 --> 01:54:58,320
and and contact is it seems like there's

3300
01:55:02,790 --> 01:54:59,199
a lot of people

3301
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:02,800
like in their late 20s to like

3302
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:05,520
mid to early 30s that start having these

3303
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:06,719
memories

3304
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:09,520
pop up in their heads and they're like

3305
01:55:12,550 --> 01:55:10,480
what is that

3306
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,560
you know like i don't remember that or

3307
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,400
you know whatever and then you know

3308
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:16,639
maybe they'll have a regression or maybe

3309
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:18,400
these memories just start flooding back

3310
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:20,400
to them or events start happening to

3311
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:21,360
them

3312
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:24,560
uh and they seem to be like in their 30s

3313
01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:26,000
and they come to find out it's been

3314
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:27,920
happening since they were kids

3315
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:31,119
you know and then with all this stuff

3316
01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:34,800
you know following you know the family

3317
01:55:38,310 --> 01:55:36,000
line

3318
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:38,320
is pretty interesting because my dad's

3319
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:39,440
had like a pretty

3320
01:55:45,830 --> 01:55:43,040
interesting uh encounter

3321
01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,840
and then come to find out i have a

3322
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:47,599
family member who was like hey

3323
01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:50,000
you should ask your grandpa about what

3324
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:50,719
he saw

3325
01:55:53,830 --> 01:55:52,960
when he went out on the front porch to

3326
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:53,840
grab the milk

3327
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:57,040
when he was younger and so now i'm just

3328
01:56:01,030 --> 01:55:58,880
like in my head thinking okay

3329
01:56:02,070 --> 01:56:01,040
my grandfather has had this weird thing

3330
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:02,080
happen to him

3331
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,840
my dad's had this weird thing happen to

3332
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:06,000
him i've officially seen

3333
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:09,920
this notorious orange ball

3334
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:12,960
floating over my house like

3335
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:14,719
now it's like it's it's getting to that

3336
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:16,320
point to where like the more you learn

3337
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:17,440
the more you know

3338
01:56:20,629 --> 01:56:19,280
like you're like are you opening this

3339
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:20,639
pandora's box

3340
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:22,480
yeah you know that you that you just

3341
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,320
can't close it again

3342
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:26,239
and so it's like it's this weird like

3343
01:56:30,310 --> 01:56:28,560
teeter-totter on like

3344
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:30,320
i mean do you even want to go down that

3345
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:32,560
path you want to go down that road but

3346
01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:34,800
is it too late at this point at the same

3347
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:36,400
time is there

3348
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,159
i mean you guys are in it you know

3349
01:56:41,589 --> 01:56:40,080
you're in it it's like you know i wrote

3350
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:41,599
this book in 2017

3351
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:44,400
and prior to 2017 yeah i saw some weird

3352
01:56:48,390 --> 01:56:46,000
stuff in the sky i saw

3353
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:48,400
you know a silver disc in the sky i saw

3354
01:56:52,310 --> 01:56:49,840
globes i saw weird stuff

3355
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:52,320
now and then um but man i got to tell

3356
01:56:54,709 --> 01:56:52,880
you since

3357
01:56:56,149 --> 01:56:54,719
since i started since i published the

3358
01:56:57,109 --> 01:56:56,159
book and started speaking about it in

3359
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:57,119
public

3360
01:57:01,669 --> 01:57:00,080
weird stuff has ramped up i don't know

3361
01:57:03,430 --> 01:57:01,679
if you guys have ever experienced this

3362
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:03,440
or not but

3363
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:06,080
you know i've had in different houses

3364
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:07,520
we've had televisions that will turn

3365
01:57:12,310 --> 01:57:10,400
themselves on in the middle of the night

3366
01:57:13,910 --> 01:57:12,320
and uh in the living room only in the

3367
01:57:15,270 --> 01:57:13,920
living room for some reason

3368
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:15,280
and i'll tell you what it's happened so

3369
01:57:19,750 --> 01:57:17,679
much that my wife and i are just like

3370
01:57:21,350 --> 01:57:19,760
you feel like getting that i'm like no

3371
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:21,360
i'll get it for you don't worry

3372
01:57:26,390 --> 01:57:23,840
i go in i turn the tv off and i say out

3373
01:57:28,629 --> 01:57:26,400
loud every time knock it off will ya

3374
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:28,639
you know yes and it only happens once or

3375
01:57:33,990 --> 01:57:29,840
twice a year

3376
01:57:34,950 --> 01:57:34,000
yeah but when when things move or things

3377
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:34,960
disappear

3378
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:37,679
it freaks me out you know because it

3379
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:39,840
physical locality you know i mean i know

3380
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:41,599
where i put my wallet i'm a creature a

3381
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:43,440
habit right one day i wake up i can't

3382
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:45,520
find my wallet

3383
01:57:49,109 --> 01:57:48,239
and i'm really wigged out i mean i'm

3384
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:49,119
looking through

3385
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:51,199
jacket pockets and everywhere i can

3386
01:57:56,310 --> 01:57:52,880
think of right

3387
01:57:58,790 --> 01:57:56,320
and uh just when i'm about to cancel and

3388
01:58:01,990 --> 01:57:58,800
reorder all credit cards and stuff

3389
01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:02,000
uh i went out to the garage and

3390
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:04,080
for some reason i opened there's like a

3391
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:05,040
little

3392
01:58:08,870 --> 01:58:06,880
cubby hole there where the hot water

3393
01:58:11,589 --> 01:58:08,880
heater is my wallet was on top of the

3394
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:11,599
hot water heater

3395
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:13,679
you know that's unsafe that's unsafe

3396
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:14,719
terry that's

3397
01:58:18,149 --> 01:58:16,800
insane i hadn't opened that door in six

3398
01:58:21,430 --> 01:58:18,159
eight months yeah

3399
01:58:23,030 --> 01:58:21,440
minimum damn i've i've had some things

3400
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:23,040
like uh

3401
01:58:26,229 --> 01:58:25,520
rooms in our house that we just never go

3402
01:58:29,589 --> 01:58:26,239
in so

3403
01:58:32,310 --> 01:58:29,599
nobody's ever opening those doors

3404
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:32,320
the door will be open for whatever like

3405
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:33,599
we'll go to sleep

3406
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:35,440
and then we'll wake up and then that

3407
01:58:39,189 --> 01:58:36,960
door will be

3408
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:39,199
cracked open and it's like well i don't

3409
01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:40,639
ever go in there you don't ever go in

3410
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:40,960
there

3411
01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:42,960
the dogs don't have opposable thumbs

3412
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:44,639
there's no way that they can do that

3413
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:46,560
joe has three corgis by the way i feel

3414
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:47,920
like if all three of them got together

3415
01:58:50,870 --> 01:58:49,520
they could they could turn a knob or two

3416
01:58:52,470 --> 01:58:50,880
they might be able to

3417
01:58:54,390 --> 01:58:52,480
they work in concert they could do it

3418
01:58:57,669 --> 01:58:54,400
yeah it's just you know

3419
01:59:00,709 --> 01:58:57,679
you you're right man i mean just weird

3420
01:59:03,750 --> 01:59:00,719
weird stuff even my dogs

3421
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:03,760
like they've had like the weirdest like

3422
01:59:07,350 --> 01:59:04,320
just

3423
01:59:07,910 --> 01:59:07,360
interactions like literally running to a

3424
01:59:09,990 --> 01:59:07,920
wall

3425
01:59:11,350 --> 01:59:10,000
and just barking at it for whatever

3426
01:59:13,589 --> 01:59:11,360
reason like

3427
01:59:16,229 --> 01:59:13,599
they're barkers you know they're dogs

3428
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:16,239
they're they're small dogs but just

3429
01:59:19,510 --> 01:59:18,960
strange things man so we started doing

3430
01:59:22,870 --> 01:59:19,520
this

3431
01:59:24,070 --> 01:59:22,880
stuff

3432
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:24,080
terry you've you've experienced this

3433
01:59:29,109 --> 01:59:26,880
stuff since i mean you found out

3434
01:59:30,870 --> 01:59:29,119
a lot later after your the the triangle

3435
01:59:31,750 --> 01:59:30,880
event that this has been going on for a

3436
01:59:34,950 --> 01:59:31,760
long time

3437
01:59:37,830 --> 01:59:34,960
what what i i'm kind of getting at is

3438
01:59:38,470 --> 01:59:37,840
maybe do you think that this happens to

3439
01:59:40,229 --> 01:59:38,480
everybody

3440
01:59:42,229 --> 01:59:40,239
or is there a specific amount of people

3441
01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:42,239
and i'm talking like have you heard the

3442
01:59:46,790 --> 01:59:44,960
term star people uh do you think that

3443
01:59:49,109 --> 01:59:46,800
it's it's specific people

3444
01:59:50,870 --> 01:59:49,119
in a way you know you know that's a

3445
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:50,880
great question i'll tell you what uh you

3446
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:52,320
know i said that i've had

3447
01:59:56,470 --> 01:59:54,639
almost 17 well i think i cracked 1700

3448
02:00:00,709 --> 01:59:56,480
people

3449
02:00:02,550 --> 02:00:00,719
emails and uh there's a significant

3450
02:00:06,550 --> 02:00:02,560
portion of those

3451
02:00:08,870 --> 02:00:06,560
probably 70 75 where people write to me

3452
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:08,880
and they say

3453
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:11,440
that they had a dream between they were

3454
02:00:16,709 --> 02:00:13,920
between the ages of three and seven

3455
02:00:17,669 --> 02:00:16,719
they had a dream and this dream is as

3456
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:17,679
vivid if they're

3457
02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:19,280
i don't care if they're 80 years old

3458
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:21,199
this dream is as vivid

3459
02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:24,080
today as it was the morning they woke up

3460
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:24,800
and they recall

3461
02:00:31,030 --> 02:00:29,280
everything that happened in vivid detail

3462
02:00:33,030 --> 02:00:31,040
and some of the dreams are just weird

3463
02:00:34,790 --> 02:00:33,040
and some of the dreams are nonsensical

3464
02:00:37,270 --> 02:00:34,800
and some of them kind of make sense some

3465
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:37,280
of them are spooky some of them are not

3466
02:00:41,109 --> 02:00:38,960
um but they remember each and every

3467
02:00:43,270 --> 02:00:41,119
single detail and i ask every one of

3468
02:00:45,430 --> 02:00:43,280
these people the same set of questions

3469
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:45,440
i said well can you tell me what you got

3470
02:00:49,189 --> 02:00:47,280
for christmas that year

3471
02:00:50,950 --> 02:00:49,199
can you tell me who was at your birthday

3472
02:00:52,629 --> 02:00:50,960
party can you tell me where your family

3473
02:00:54,870 --> 02:00:52,639
went to vacation

3474
02:00:56,310 --> 02:00:54,880
none of it it's all gone but that stupid

3475
02:00:58,470 --> 02:00:56,320
little dream

3476
02:00:59,589 --> 02:00:58,480
is in their heads like like like it

3477
02:01:01,910 --> 02:00:59,599
happened last night

3478
02:01:03,510 --> 02:01:01,920
yeah and those are the people that tend

3479
02:01:06,870 --> 02:01:03,520
to have significant

3480
02:01:10,310 --> 02:01:06,880
interaction with e.t mm-hmm

3481
02:01:10,870 --> 02:01:10,320
wow you have this little piece in your

3482
02:01:13,669 --> 02:01:10,880
book

3483
02:01:14,229 --> 02:01:13,679
where you talk about seeing seeing a

3484
02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:14,239
window

3485
02:01:17,830 --> 02:01:16,000
i guess i guess you were on the craft

3486
02:01:20,310 --> 02:01:17,840
and you're seeing a window

3487
02:01:23,109 --> 02:01:20,320
and it was like 20 foot high like 16

3488
02:01:26,550 --> 02:01:23,119
it's 20 by 60 20 by 60

3489
02:01:27,350 --> 02:01:26,560
and you are get this you're looking out

3490
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:27,360
this window

3491
02:01:31,750 --> 02:01:30,320
and you see all these stars out this

3492
02:01:34,390 --> 02:01:31,760
window

3493
02:01:35,750 --> 02:01:34,400
and when i read that uh i'm kind of

3494
02:01:35,990 --> 02:01:35,760
getting chills right now thinking about

3495
02:01:39,510 --> 02:01:36,000
it

3496
02:01:41,910 --> 02:01:39,520
soon what because i had this insanely

3497
02:01:43,390 --> 02:01:41,920
vivid dream where i'm standing like in

3498
02:01:46,790 --> 02:01:43,400
this like weird

3499
02:01:49,350 --> 02:01:46,800
cafetorium thing and like the dimension

3500
02:01:52,390 --> 02:01:49,360
of the window that you described

3501
02:01:54,790 --> 02:01:52,400
i it it just popped in my head i just

3502
02:01:55,830 --> 02:01:54,800
see this massive window and that was in

3503
02:01:57,990 --> 02:01:55,840
my dream and

3504
02:01:59,189 --> 02:01:58,000
same thing i'm just looking at this

3505
02:02:02,790 --> 02:01:59,199
window in awe

3506
02:02:05,510 --> 02:02:02,800
at just all of these stars now yours

3507
02:02:07,189 --> 02:02:05,520
i believe it has a shadow maybe like

3508
02:02:10,149 --> 02:02:07,199
from the moon right

3509
02:02:11,990 --> 02:02:10,159
mine was mine was just i mean i was

3510
02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:12,000
blown away because i had never seen so

3511
02:02:16,470 --> 02:02:13,280
many stars

3512
02:02:18,950 --> 02:02:16,480
yes and they didn't they didn't twinkle

3513
02:02:20,550 --> 02:02:18,960
so i wasn't on this earth when i saw

3514
02:02:22,310 --> 02:02:20,560
this right

3515
02:02:23,990 --> 02:02:22,320
right you know i thought i was in a

3516
02:02:24,550 --> 02:02:24,000
planetarium for a minute and then i

3517
02:02:27,589 --> 02:02:24,560
thought

3518
02:02:31,910 --> 02:02:27,599
no i know where i'm at and yeah the

3519
02:02:32,870 --> 02:02:31,920
the from my right side this giant white

3520
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:32,880
object

3521
02:02:39,830 --> 02:02:36,880
rolled into view and scared me to death

3522
02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:39,840
and i was with betty and that's when she

3523
02:02:43,669 --> 02:02:41,199
told me

3524
02:02:44,390 --> 02:02:43,679
don't be afraid we're moving relative to

3525
02:02:47,589 --> 02:02:44,400
the moon

3526
02:02:51,109 --> 02:02:47,599
but it's us that's moving man

3527
02:02:54,070 --> 02:02:51,119
whoa so the white object was the moon

3528
02:02:55,910 --> 02:02:54,080
what's the moon yes remember i remember

3529
02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:55,920
i told you that like in the dream i'm

3530
02:02:58,950 --> 02:02:57,119
looking out this window

3531
02:03:00,310 --> 02:02:58,960
and then off to the right i see

3532
02:03:03,109 --> 02:03:00,320
something get real bright

3533
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:03,119
yep and i'm standing next to some people

3534
02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:03,520
but

3535
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:06,719
i can't make out faces or anything

3536
02:03:10,550 --> 02:03:08,880
yup well you were like in a cafeteria

3537
02:03:11,270 --> 02:03:10,560
type setting where you're like in line

3538
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:11,280
or something right

3539
02:03:16,470 --> 02:03:15,040
yeah dude there's gotta be something to

3540
02:03:18,550 --> 02:03:16,480
when i read that part in your book

3541
02:03:19,589 --> 02:03:18,560
terry like you freaked me out a little

3542
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:19,599
bit i was like oh

3543
02:03:24,149 --> 02:03:22,560
no well you know in that part of the

3544
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:24,159
book i talk about

3545
02:03:27,990 --> 02:03:27,280
and i mean this is this is hard for for

3546
02:03:31,030 --> 02:03:28,000
people to believe

3547
02:03:32,070 --> 02:03:31,040
i know but we when i was on this craft

3548
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:32,080
with betty

3549
02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:35,440
and this ship tilted down because we saw

3550
02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:36,800
the horizon

3551
02:03:43,990 --> 02:03:41,199
came up and blocked them out i never

3552
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:44,000
felt any sensation of motion at all

3553
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:46,159
and we crossed that boundary and were

3554
02:03:50,069 --> 02:03:47,920
going around the dark side of the moon

3555
02:03:51,830 --> 02:03:50,079
and we were facing down we were standing

3556
02:03:54,149 --> 02:03:51,840
up but we were facing downward the

3557
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:54,159
window was looking straight down

3558
02:03:58,149 --> 02:03:57,360
and we traveled for a while and i saw a

3559
02:04:01,350 --> 02:03:58,159
few lights

3560
02:04:02,629 --> 02:04:01,360
darting around in the sky and make a

3561
02:04:05,990 --> 02:04:02,639
long story short

3562
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:06,000
we came up on this little city that was

3563
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:09,199
just not not real little but i mean it

3564
02:04:13,910 --> 02:04:10,000
was like it was lit

3565
02:04:16,470 --> 02:04:13,920
up it was like lax at night and

3566
02:04:17,669 --> 02:04:16,480
what struck me is so odd as i explained

3567
02:04:20,550 --> 02:04:17,679
this the book is

3568
02:04:22,069 --> 02:04:20,560
something just looked out of place and

3569
02:04:22,950 --> 02:04:22,079
what it was was and i know it sounds

3570
02:04:25,270 --> 02:04:22,960
crazy with

3571
02:04:26,550 --> 02:04:25,280
my in my head i went back to property

3572
02:04:28,390 --> 02:04:26,560
property law in

3573
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:28,400
law school and i thought wait a minute

3574
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:30,320
you know who's responsible for zoning

3575
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:30,800
here

3576
02:04:35,109 --> 02:04:33,920
no this is crazy what are the

3577
02:04:38,390 --> 02:04:35,119
restrictions

3578
02:04:40,950 --> 02:04:38,400
yeah really this is non-compliant i mean

3579
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:40,960
there are well there were no roads there

3580
02:04:46,149 --> 02:04:42,400
was just this collection

3581
02:04:47,669 --> 02:04:46,159
of buildings uh all over the place

3582
02:04:49,430 --> 02:04:47,679
and i saw some huge what looked like

3583
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:49,440
mining equipment

3584
02:04:53,750 --> 02:04:52,480
uh and i also saw a mushroom shaped

3585
02:04:56,950 --> 02:04:53,760
tower

3586
02:04:59,430 --> 02:04:56,960
that she said betty said was a kilometer

3587
02:05:03,350 --> 02:04:59,440
and a half high

3588
02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:03,360
ah so i had somebody

3589
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:04,960
and i don't think i've ever disclosed

3590
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:06,880
that part the mushroom shape

3591
02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:09,840
building yeah i had somebody send me a

3592
02:05:14,550 --> 02:05:11,360
drawing of it

3593
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:14,560
and said yeah this is what i saw wow

3594
02:05:18,149 --> 02:05:16,639
so you have corroboration with that

3595
02:05:20,709 --> 02:05:18,159
mushroom shaped building

3596
02:05:21,669 --> 02:05:20,719
on the moon and so the drawing that they

3597
02:05:24,629 --> 02:05:21,679
sent you

3598
02:05:25,750 --> 02:05:24,639
is that what you saw identical right

3599
02:05:29,270 --> 02:05:25,760
down to the windows

3600
02:05:31,189 --> 02:05:29,280
was the dome

3601
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:31,199
was it a dome shape do you think that's

3602
02:05:33,270 --> 02:05:32,960
where you were when you no no cause it

3603
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:33,280
was

3604
02:05:36,870 --> 02:05:34,880
no i don't think we were ever in it and

3605
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:36,880
we were up high i think we were probably

3606
02:05:42,550 --> 02:05:38,880
i don't i mean i'm guessing

3607
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:42,560
maybe 10 000 feet yeah but this was a

3608
02:05:45,669 --> 02:05:43,119
big

3609
02:05:46,390 --> 02:05:45,679
building right and it had lights and you

3610
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:46,400
know the

3611
02:05:50,790 --> 02:05:48,400
the buildings there were just classical

3612
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:50,800
uh architectural

3613
02:05:56,950 --> 02:05:53,920
you know 90 degree angle

3614
02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:56,960
building box buildings yeah with with

3615
02:06:00,069 --> 02:05:58,960
windows and lights on inside

3616
02:06:01,669 --> 02:06:00,079
you would think if you're building on

3617
02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:01,679
the moon you'd make it a little cooler

3618
02:06:06,069 --> 02:06:03,040
right like

3619
02:06:06,790 --> 02:06:06,079
just build some boring boxes on the moon

3620
02:06:08,310 --> 02:06:06,800
man

3621
02:06:09,750 --> 02:06:08,320
what do you what do you need windows for

3622
02:06:11,270 --> 02:06:09,760
if you're on the dark side of the moon

3623
02:06:13,589 --> 02:06:11,280
and you can't see anything anyway right

3624
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:13,599
i don't get that okay

3625
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:16,639
yeah love that why windows what are you

3626
02:06:20,470 --> 02:06:18,000
looking at

3627
02:06:22,790 --> 02:06:20,480
is it a control tower who's who's coming

3628
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:22,800
who's coming to visit so often

3629
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:24,880
that you need windows yep you gotta see

3630
02:06:27,510 --> 02:06:25,840
who's coming in yeah

3631
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:27,520
by the way dude uh dave asked me to

3632
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:29,040
touch your beard so i'll touch you

3633
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:30,560
behind you a little bit

3634
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:32,880
for you dave talk about the live chat

3635
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:35,040
terry

3636
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:36,320
dave scott's in the in the building

3637
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:38,320
what's up good uh

3638
02:06:43,830 --> 02:06:41,920
yeah so man it's so it's so smooth

3639
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:43,840
very smooth beard it is pretty smooth

3640
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:45,360
dude yeah i try

3641
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:48,800
um dude the uh so

3642
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:52,000
so the uh can you describe because

3643
02:06:55,030 --> 02:06:53,679
joe is further along in your book than i

3644
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:55,040
am and maybe

3645
02:06:58,470 --> 02:06:56,639
some people that haven't read your book

3646
02:07:00,069 --> 02:06:58,480
uh on youtube or listening to the show

3647
02:07:02,310 --> 02:07:00,079
can you describe betty because i think

3648
02:07:04,069 --> 02:07:02,320
we we kind of touched on it earlier

3649
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:04,079
uh but i think betty is such an

3650
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:06,400
interesting aspect of it and

3651
02:07:09,669 --> 02:07:08,000
yeah we kind of glazed over it and

3652
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:09,679
without knowing the full story

3653
02:07:14,229 --> 02:07:12,400
if you wouldn't mind yes yes there's

3654
02:07:15,669 --> 02:07:14,239
stuff from my childhood that i included

3655
02:07:18,069 --> 02:07:15,679
in the second book that

3656
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:18,079
the editor of my first book said no no

3657
02:07:20,470 --> 02:07:19,679
you talk too much about your childhood

3658
02:07:22,629 --> 02:07:20,480
already

3659
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:22,639
and uh and it felt kind of cheated i

3660
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:24,639
felt like i wanted to to tell that story

3661
02:07:28,229 --> 02:07:26,159
some of the most interesting parts of

3662
02:07:29,990 --> 02:07:28,239
them yeah there's a lot of detail in

3663
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:30,000
your childhood yeah

3664
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:31,599
well you know in addition to i talk

3665
02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:33,679
about the monkeys that used to come into

3666
02:07:38,870 --> 02:07:35,360
my room when they would take me

3667
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,880
and uh um but i don't give a lot of

3668
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:40,800
description about um

3669
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:43,199
this woman that i called sue because she

3670
02:07:46,229 --> 02:07:45,280
reminded me of the japanese lady that

3671
02:07:49,669 --> 02:07:46,239
lived in back of us

3672
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:49,679
with it in st louis um

3673
02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:54,320
and i remember her

3674
02:08:01,990 --> 02:07:57,599
like a maternal figure almost

3675
02:08:04,470 --> 02:08:02,000
i think of her for some reason like

3676
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:04,480
affection not in a romantic way but in a

3677
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:09,830
and i recall that they would take me

3678
02:08:13,669 --> 02:08:11,199
when i was really little

3679
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:13,679
like four or five and we would go to

3680
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:15,440
this big round room

3681
02:08:19,189 --> 02:08:17,440
with a dome ceiling or a big well it was

3682
02:08:20,709 --> 02:08:19,199
a room with a dome ceiling

3683
02:08:22,229 --> 02:08:20,719
the room wasn't round of course if it

3684
02:08:26,390 --> 02:08:22,239
had a dome ceiling

3685
02:08:28,149 --> 02:08:26,400
and like a padded gray floor and uh

3686
02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:28,159
i don't remember much more except the

3687
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:30,239
kids there were always the same

3688
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:32,560
kids there and they weren't kids i knew

3689
02:08:37,030 --> 02:08:33,760
from the neighborhood or

3690
02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:37,040
kids that i knew from school or daycare

3691
02:08:40,950 --> 02:08:40,000
uh you know they they weren't kids i

3692
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:40,960
knew

3693
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:43,760
but they were always there and we always

3694
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:46,639
spoke among ourselves telepathically

3695
02:08:53,669 --> 02:08:50,400
and it was as natural as any spoken word

3696
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:53,679
and i remember asking sue aka

3697
02:08:58,709 --> 02:08:56,960
betty why can't we talk like this at

3698
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,719
home

3699
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:01,360
and she says because you're not ready

3700
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:03,360
yet

3701
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:05,440
and i said well cool i can't wait till

3702
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:07,840
i'm seven you know

3703
02:09:16,629 --> 02:09:12,400
yes you know four or five years old

3704
02:09:18,390 --> 02:09:16,639
and she showed me

3705
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:18,400
and this is weird i think i put this in

3706
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:19,840
the red book i should have

3707
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:23,280
um because i've i've got it in my

3708
02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:24,960
notebook and

3709
02:09:32,310 --> 02:09:30,239
clara's day she showed me um

3710
02:09:35,189 --> 02:09:32,320
i asked she asked me where do your

3711
02:09:37,189 --> 02:09:35,199
thoughts come from

3712
02:09:39,270 --> 02:09:37,199
because we were talking about uh you

3713
02:09:39,669 --> 02:09:39,280
know trent telepathically talking she

3714
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:39,679
says well

3715
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:41,040
when you think of something where does

3716
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:42,960
that thought come from

3717
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:44,960
and i said i don't know and she poked me

3718
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:46,480
in the belly and she said did they come

3719
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:47,760
from your belly

3720
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:51,520
and i said no and she says

3721
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:53,599
this is where your thoughts come from

3722
02:09:57,750 --> 02:09:54,719
and she showed me

3723
02:10:01,430 --> 02:09:57,760
an image of looking down at my body

3724
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:01,440
from above and i could see inside my

3725
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:03,040
brain

3726
02:10:07,589 --> 02:10:05,520
and it did not freak me out and it

3727
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:07,599
wasn't gross

3728
02:10:11,350 --> 02:10:10,079
but i could see a thing that looked like

3729
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:11,360
a bean

3730
02:10:16,950 --> 02:10:14,480
in the center of my head and she says

3731
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:16,960
that is where your thoughts originate

3732
02:10:22,390 --> 02:10:19,920
from that's where they come from

3733
02:10:23,830 --> 02:10:22,400
and in 2017 there was an article

3734
02:10:26,310 --> 02:10:23,840
published in some scientific

3735
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:26,320
maybe nature some scientific journal

3736
02:10:30,470 --> 02:10:27,360
that said that

3737
02:10:32,310 --> 02:10:30,480
said the same thing that there's this um

3738
02:10:34,229 --> 02:10:32,320
maybe it is the pineal gland i'm not

3739
02:10:36,629 --> 02:10:34,239
sure um

3740
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:36,639
but this this is where thought

3741
02:10:41,669 --> 02:10:38,400
originates

3742
02:10:42,550 --> 02:10:41,679
yeah man i mean i'm gonna share

3743
02:10:44,149 --> 02:10:42,560
something real quick

3744
02:10:46,069 --> 02:10:44,159
uh i don't even think we've talked about

3745
02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:46,079
this but dude i often before i go to

3746
02:10:50,310 --> 02:10:47,840
sleep i i have this

3747
02:10:51,910 --> 02:10:50,320
this kind of dissociative moment like

3748
02:10:53,750 --> 02:10:51,920
right before i go to sleep is it

3749
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:53,760
i'm looking at the earth almost as if

3750
02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:55,440
the earth is kind of being held by a

3751
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:56,880
string

3752
02:11:00,069 --> 02:10:58,639
and it's like it just makes me feel

3753
02:11:03,109 --> 02:11:00,079
weird i don't know if you've ever like

3754
02:11:05,990 --> 02:11:03,119
laid uh put your stomach on

3755
02:11:06,470 --> 02:11:06,000
like laid down on a swing and you kind

3756
02:11:07,990 --> 02:11:06,480
of

3757
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:08,000
swing back and forth i don't know i'm

3758
02:11:09,750 --> 02:11:09,360
trying to make a connection here and try

3759
02:11:11,589 --> 02:11:09,760
to

3760
02:11:13,270 --> 02:11:11,599
but like you get a little uncomfortable

3761
02:11:14,069 --> 02:11:13,280
it's not like you're making yourself

3762
02:11:15,430 --> 02:11:14,079
sick or

3763
02:11:17,830 --> 02:11:15,440
dizzy because i don't get dizzy or

3764
02:11:19,669 --> 02:11:17,840
seasick but that's the only thing i can

3765
02:11:21,589 --> 02:11:19,679
relate it to is like

3766
02:11:23,109 --> 02:11:21,599
you're you're suspended above the earth

3767
02:11:25,030 --> 02:11:23,119
and you're it's almost

3768
02:11:26,950 --> 02:11:25,040
it's so hard to describe if i could

3769
02:11:29,430 --> 02:11:26,960
telepathically give you this

3770
02:11:30,870 --> 02:11:29,440
feeling i would but yeah that's kind of

3771
02:11:32,790 --> 02:11:30,880
a connection that i'm making with the

3772
02:11:34,870 --> 02:11:32,800
story that you're telling is like

3773
02:11:35,830 --> 02:11:34,880
it's this idea this notion of being

3774
02:11:37,830 --> 02:11:35,840
above

3775
02:11:39,189 --> 02:11:37,840
and that you yourself your thoughts and

3776
02:11:41,669 --> 02:11:39,199
your consciousness aren't

3777
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:41,679
in this physical body and it's being

3778
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:43,920
either projected from somewhere else or

3779
02:11:47,189 --> 02:11:45,840
from this pineal gland maybe the pineal

3780
02:11:47,510 --> 02:11:47,199
gland or that being that you're speaking

3781
02:11:50,550 --> 02:11:47,520
of

3782
02:11:51,990 --> 02:11:50,560
is the receiver and the signal is coming

3783
02:11:54,149 --> 02:11:52,000
from somewhere else i mean

3784
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:54,159
that's the dumbest way to say like

3785
02:11:59,030 --> 02:11:56,719
non-local consciousness right

3786
02:12:00,709 --> 02:11:59,040
non-local consciousness yeah yeah you

3787
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:00,719
know i had a bunch of nde

3788
02:12:03,990 --> 02:12:03,599
people write to me and that surprised me

3789
02:12:06,629 --> 02:12:04,000
wow

3790
02:12:08,709 --> 02:12:06,639
yeah a couple of them said you know uh

3791
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:08,719
well i've never seen a ufo but

3792
02:12:11,990 --> 02:12:10,800
you know i died and came back to life

3793
02:12:13,350 --> 02:12:12,000
and let me tell you about it and they

3794
02:12:16,149 --> 02:12:13,360
tell me their stories

3795
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:16,159
and uh they asked you know can you see

3796
02:12:19,589 --> 02:12:16,480
this

3797
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:19,599
they ask me can you see the similarities

3798
02:12:23,669 --> 02:12:21,920
and i'm like well yeah first off it's a

3799
02:12:26,709 --> 02:12:23,679
life-changing event

3800
02:12:29,910 --> 02:12:26,719
for me

3801
02:12:31,910 --> 02:12:29,920
yeah and uh

3802
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:31,920
they talk about you know their

3803
02:12:37,750 --> 02:12:34,480
consciousness being above their body

3804
02:12:39,109 --> 02:12:37,760
and uh seeing their body laying down on

3805
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:39,119
you know watching people try to

3806
02:12:42,950 --> 02:12:41,119
resuscitate them and being able to

3807
02:12:43,589 --> 02:12:42,960
recall things while they were clinically

3808
02:12:45,270 --> 02:12:43,599
dead

3809
02:12:46,629 --> 02:12:45,280
yeah that they should have no way of

3810
02:12:48,390 --> 02:12:46,639
knowing

3811
02:12:50,950 --> 02:12:48,400
you know have you seen that thing on on

3812
02:12:53,750 --> 02:12:50,960
netflix the documentary on netflix

3813
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:53,760
uh it's it's about surviving death yes

3814
02:12:58,069 --> 02:12:55,040
that's it

3815
02:12:59,910 --> 02:12:58,079
it's produced by leslie kane

3816
02:13:02,310 --> 02:12:59,920
the same woman who wrote the december

3817
02:13:03,109 --> 02:13:02,320
17th article about the tic tacs the same

3818
02:13:06,149 --> 02:13:03,119
woman that went with

3819
02:13:09,589 --> 02:13:06,159
with me to houston to speak to uh

3820
02:13:12,790 --> 02:13:09,599
at rice university wow whoa okay that's

3821
02:13:15,270 --> 02:13:12,800
awesome yeah um dude very cool that

3822
02:13:15,990 --> 02:13:15,280
man that changed my whole perspective um

3823
02:13:17,510 --> 02:13:16,000
my father-in-law

3824
02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:17,520
is actually he works in hospice one of

3825
02:13:22,790 --> 02:13:20,320
his jobs and i'm so curious to

3826
02:13:23,669 --> 02:13:22,800
to here to wait for until he he watches

3827
02:13:25,270 --> 02:13:23,679
it because

3828
02:13:27,109 --> 02:13:25,280
there's a moment in that documentary

3829
02:13:29,350 --> 02:13:27,119
where they're like talking to

3830
02:13:30,149 --> 02:13:29,360
to these these elderly people that are

3831
02:13:31,910 --> 02:13:30,159
in hospice

3832
02:13:33,270 --> 02:13:31,920
and they're having these these

3833
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:33,280
experiences

3834
02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:35,520
of of of consciousness that they've

3835
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:37,840
they've never had and it has to do with

3836
02:13:41,990 --> 02:13:40,639
near near-death experiences almost as if

3837
02:13:44,229 --> 02:13:42,000
they're on the verge

3838
02:13:46,229 --> 02:13:44,239
uh but that's just something that i can

3839
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:46,239
connect to it but there's another part

3840
02:13:48,629 --> 02:13:47,760
of that where they're talking about this

3841
02:13:50,709 --> 02:13:48,639
woman that's

3842
02:13:52,390 --> 02:13:50,719
in the cert she's having surgery right

3843
02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:52,400
and she can

3844
02:13:55,990 --> 02:13:54,880
before she even talked to anybody that

3845
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:56,000
knew

3846
02:13:59,589 --> 02:13:57,679
what those instruments were she was able

3847
02:14:02,790 --> 02:13:59,599
to describe those instruments

3848
02:14:05,669 --> 02:14:02,800
in detail like what was going on in the

3849
02:14:06,629 --> 02:14:05,679
electric toothbrush yeah that was yes

3850
02:14:10,149 --> 02:14:06,639
yes

3851
02:14:12,870 --> 02:14:10,159
dude so if that's

3852
02:14:13,990 --> 02:14:12,880
a visual representation of what your

3853
02:14:16,950 --> 02:14:14,000
story is terry

3854
02:14:18,390 --> 02:14:16,960
and i mean dude there's there's

3855
02:14:19,430 --> 02:14:18,400
something to it have you guys heard of

3856
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:19,440
um

3857
02:14:23,189 --> 02:14:22,000
a guy he's been around a while uh he's

3858
02:14:29,109 --> 02:14:23,199
in houston

3859
02:14:34,790 --> 02:14:32,069
daryl used to work with uh dr roger lear

3860
02:14:38,149 --> 02:14:36,149
that's where i heard the name yeah

3861
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:38,159
daryl's down in houston and uh i was

3862
02:14:41,990 --> 02:14:40,079
talking to him a couple years back

3863
02:14:43,430 --> 02:14:42,000
and he told me that he had a woman

3864
02:14:45,669 --> 02:14:43,440
contact him

3865
02:14:48,870 --> 02:14:45,679
who was abducted and she said that

3866
02:14:54,470 --> 02:14:52,069
she was taken aboard a ship and

3867
02:14:56,550 --> 02:14:54,480
should own a holograph of her body

3868
02:14:59,510 --> 02:14:56,560
suspended in air

3869
02:15:00,870 --> 02:14:59,520
and et's asking her interrogating her

3870
02:15:03,430 --> 02:15:00,880
wanting her to point out

3871
02:15:04,629 --> 02:15:03,440
where does the human soul reside within

3872
02:15:08,229 --> 02:15:04,639
the human body

3873
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:08,239
whoa what and she

3874
02:15:11,830 --> 02:15:10,159
according to daryl she said look i i

3875
02:15:13,030 --> 02:15:11,840
don't know i mean i think of the soul as

3876
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:13,040
being all-encompassing

3877
02:15:18,390 --> 02:15:16,480
all part of our body um i don't know a

3878
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:18,400
particular place and evidently e.t

3879
02:15:21,589 --> 02:15:19,840
wasn't pleased with that with that

3880
02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:21,599
explanation but they were

3881
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:23,440
they really really wanted to know where

3882
02:15:28,390 --> 02:15:24,880
the soul was

3883
02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:28,400
man huh that's kind of an interesting

3884
02:15:32,550 --> 02:15:29,280
thing i've never

3885
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:32,560
thought about that they would daryl

3886
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:34,000
posits that

3887
02:15:40,069 --> 02:15:37,199
e.t is interested in us because

3888
02:15:41,350 --> 02:15:40,079
we have a mortal soul and they do not

3889
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:41,360
right

3890
02:15:44,390 --> 02:15:43,199
crosses the boundary from paranormal to

3891
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:44,400
supernatural

3892
02:15:48,830 --> 02:15:47,840
right oh wait say it again i said that

3893
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:48,840
that

3894
02:15:52,709 --> 02:15:51,199
yeah it crosses the boundary from

3895
02:15:55,189 --> 02:15:52,719
paranormal to supernatural

3896
02:15:56,390 --> 02:15:55,199
so oh so like the soul is this kind of

3897
02:15:59,270 --> 02:15:56,400
kind of bridge

3898
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:59,280
of maybe consciousness that crosses the

3899
02:16:03,270 --> 02:16:00,560
the mortal realm is that

3900
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:03,280
maybe no i i think that they don't have

3901
02:16:05,750 --> 02:16:03,599
it

3902
02:16:06,870 --> 02:16:05,760
oh they just don't yeah i think he

3903
02:16:09,189 --> 02:16:06,880
doesn't have

3904
02:16:10,790 --> 02:16:09,199
a soul in other words their life is

3905
02:16:13,669 --> 02:16:10,800
finite

3906
02:16:14,550 --> 02:16:13,679
they've never experienced an nde um

3907
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:14,560
because

3908
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:16,880
they don't have an afterlife got it so

3909
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:18,079
they can't die

3910
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:21,920
i had i had heard a lady talking about

3911
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:25,280
um the hybrid program

3912
02:16:32,309 --> 02:16:28,960
in their breeding with humans

3913
02:16:34,870 --> 02:16:32,319
that they have gotten they had gotten

3914
02:16:37,589 --> 02:16:34,880
so at some point in time in in their

3915
02:16:42,469 --> 02:16:37,599
life cycle they had gotten so

3916
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:46,150
just kind of lost the

3917
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:49,439
the spirituality and the and the soul

3918
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:50,880
basically

3919
02:16:55,110 --> 02:16:54,160
to where they just lived for a really

3920
02:16:57,030 --> 02:16:55,120
long time

3921
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:57,040
and that's just what they did but they

3922
02:17:01,669 --> 02:16:58,160
evolved

3923
02:17:05,110 --> 02:17:01,679
so far past that that

3924
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:05,120
the hybrid program and abducting humans

3925
02:17:10,150 --> 02:17:08,639
is actually to maybe bring their species

3926
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:10,160
back to a level

3927
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:13,200
to where they can um evolve

3928
02:17:16,950 --> 02:17:16,000
consciousness and evolve their their

3929
02:17:19,990 --> 02:17:16,960
soul that they

3930
02:17:22,790 --> 02:17:20,000
don't have at the current time so

3931
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:22,800
they're kind of with their current uh

3932
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:23,920
state of

3933
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:26,960
technology and what they know they say

3934
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:30,080
hey maybe we can bring the body back

3935
02:17:36,309 --> 02:17:34,080
down to this level this humanistic level

3936
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:36,319
but maybe still retain the knowledge

3937
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:37,679
that we have

3938
02:17:41,030 --> 02:17:39,120
and i thought that was kind of an

3939
02:17:42,709 --> 02:17:41,040
interesting thing that

3940
02:17:45,669 --> 02:17:42,719
you know normally you would think of as

3941
02:17:47,910 --> 02:17:45,679
a species to evolve to go higher

3942
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:47,920
but these guys might be actually trying

3943
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:51,359
to reverse their evolution a little bit

3944
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:54,880
uh a break sign yeah yeah

3945
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:58,479
to to maybe save that that human part

3946
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:01,599
of them or that uh that consciousness

3947
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:02,960
part of them

3948
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:04,960
that you know they're very calculated

3949
02:18:08,309 --> 02:18:06,080
and cold

3950
02:18:09,349 --> 02:18:08,319
and that's just the way that they are

3951
02:18:10,950 --> 02:18:09,359
now yeah

3952
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:10,960
yeah i guess you know given millions of

3953
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:13,040
years you could evolve into being just

3954
02:18:17,190 --> 02:18:15,599
pure intellect and lose your humanity or

3955
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:17,200
whatever they would term it as

3956
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:20,479
right right is that not the explanation

3957
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:22,160
of ai

3958
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:24,479
it kind of is i mean so what about what

3959
02:18:27,990 --> 02:18:25,679
if a great analogy

3960
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:28,000
what if ai's gotten so far that it's

3961
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:29,599
it's like it's like a

3962
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:33,120
like a an explosion like there's

3963
02:18:37,110 --> 02:18:34,719
there's an eruption and then there's

3964
02:18:38,309 --> 02:18:37,120
like the opposite effect that happens

3965
02:18:41,830 --> 02:18:38,319
maybe that's

3966
02:18:45,110 --> 02:18:41,840
a visual representation maybe i ai

3967
02:18:47,349 --> 02:18:45,120
had this explosion a long time ago and

3968
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:47,359
it's gotten to where like hey all right

3969
02:18:51,190 --> 02:18:49,519
this isn't fun anymore

3970
02:18:52,629 --> 02:18:51,200
there's no purpose there's no purpose in

3971
02:18:54,629 --> 02:18:52,639
life without

3972
02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:54,639
it's this balance and there's no balance

3973
02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:55,840
when you get there

3974
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:58,160
and to that pinnacle and they've got to

3975
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:58,880
come back down

3976
02:19:01,910 --> 02:19:00,800
i know william had mentioned this in the

3977
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:01,920
chat that

3978
02:19:06,070 --> 02:19:04,639
that humans are the the sexual

3979
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:06,080
reproductive organs for

3980
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:09,200
future ai basically meaning that

3981
02:19:15,910 --> 02:19:12,319
ai will be the vehicle right

3982
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:15,920
they already exist and they already know

3983
02:19:20,870 --> 02:19:18,960
so they you know humans

3984
02:19:23,190 --> 02:19:20,880
they know that humans are going to build

3985
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:23,200
ai and eventually build

3986
02:19:28,549 --> 02:19:26,080
you know the new you know whatever

3987
02:19:31,990 --> 02:19:28,559
superior ai that will then

3988
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:32,000
take over will say that these things are

3989
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:34,960
a.i and they're so advanced that now

3990
02:19:39,990 --> 02:19:37,280
artificial intelligence

3991
02:19:41,270 --> 02:19:40,000
is kind of like how we're like going

3992
02:19:44,389 --> 02:19:41,280
into like neurolink

3993
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:44,399
and trying to you know think as fast as

3994
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:46,000
computers and maybe we'll be able to

3995
02:19:50,469 --> 02:19:47,280
download consciousness

3996
02:19:51,990 --> 02:19:50,479
into a hard drive and and maybe one day

3997
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:52,000
our brains will be able to think on this

3998
02:19:54,790 --> 02:19:53,120
quantum level

3999
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:54,800
well maybe these things are already

4000
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:56,240
there and they're like

4001
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:58,399
hey i want to know what it's like to

4002
02:20:02,230 --> 02:19:59,760
have a soul

4003
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:02,240
i want to know what it's like to feel

4004
02:20:04,710 --> 02:20:03,120
pain

4005
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:04,720
i want to know what it's like to feel

4006
02:20:08,550 --> 02:20:06,640
nauseous emotion

4007
02:20:09,830 --> 02:20:08,560
i want to know what that's like and

4008
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,840
they're trying to

4009
02:20:13,429 --> 02:20:11,840
be like us and we're kind of trying to

4010
02:20:15,429 --> 02:20:13,439
be like them

4011
02:20:17,429 --> 02:20:15,439
you know you'd think we could meet in

4012
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:17,439
the middle and satisfy everyone you know

4013
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:20,800
hey love that maybe yeah yeah you know

4014
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:23,040
maybe love that but you know that kind

4015
02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:25,040
of ties into uh

4016
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,399
taking it back just a little bit uh

4017
02:20:33,270 --> 02:20:30,319
your encounter with betty and her

4018
02:20:37,190 --> 02:20:33,280
telling you where thoughts come from

4019
02:20:40,630 --> 02:20:37,200
and how you're not you're not ready

4020
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:40,640
to talk like that you know at

4021
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:44,080
at home um that idea

4022
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:46,720
is so interesting to me because you you

4023
02:20:50,550 --> 02:20:48,080
you talk about

4024
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:50,560
um uncontrollable thought how like the

4025
02:20:53,590 --> 02:20:52,640
human brain like our our thoughts are

4026
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:53,600
all over the place

4027
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:56,479
all the time if we could communicate

4028
02:21:00,389 --> 02:20:57,520
telepathically

4029
02:21:01,510 --> 02:21:00,399
it would be complete chaos because you

4030
02:21:04,790 --> 02:21:01,520
know

4031
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:04,800
we we we just have these random thoughts

4032
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:07,439
blood in the streets right and and you

4033
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:09,680
have a funny little reference in there

4034
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:10,080
but

4035
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:12,640
you know can you imagine going to heb

4036
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:14,479
and seeing this attractive woman

4037
02:21:18,150 --> 02:21:16,640
behind the counter and you're trying to

4038
02:21:20,309 --> 02:21:18,160
just pay for your food

4039
02:21:22,150 --> 02:21:20,319
and all the thoughts that would pop up

4040
02:21:23,349 --> 02:21:22,160
and she would know because y'all are

4041
02:21:26,150 --> 02:21:23,359
telepathically like

4042
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:26,160
like i'm so sorry i'm so sorry that's so

4043
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:26,800
that's so

4044
02:21:33,110 --> 02:21:29,840
accurate because we as a species are

4045
02:21:33,990 --> 02:21:33,120
not ready for that there is no way that

4046
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:34,000
we would

4047
02:21:40,790 --> 02:21:37,359
that we are anywhere near ready for that

4048
02:21:42,790 --> 02:21:40,800
like the world would be chaos yes

4049
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:42,800
you know i i know the point i know what

4050
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:44,479
you're referencing and that's true

4051
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:48,000
i did in 2017 when betty appeared in my

4052
02:21:52,630 --> 02:21:49,280
living room

4053
02:21:55,110 --> 02:21:52,640
uh as i explained in the book um

4054
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:55,120
in the beginning i thought you know this

4055
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:57,040
woman was sitting in a non-threatening

4056
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:57,920
posture

4057
02:22:02,630 --> 02:22:01,040
and i really wasn't afraid uh but the

4058
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:02,640
thought crossed my mind

4059
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:04,399
um and of course she she knows

4060
02:22:07,349 --> 02:22:06,000
everything that's on my mind

4061
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,359
the thought crossed my mind what if i

4062
02:22:10,710 --> 02:22:09,359
say something that makes her angry

4063
02:22:11,750 --> 02:22:10,720
and then the next thought of course was

4064
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:11,760
what if i think of something

4065
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:13,520
inappropriate

4066
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:14,960
so of course what happens everything in

4067
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:16,160
the world that you could possibly

4068
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:18,000
imagine that's inappropriate goes flying

4069
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:18,720
through my mind

4070
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:20,640
right yes and i swear to god i

4071
02:22:25,990 --> 02:22:22,640
embarrassed her i swear to god

4072
02:22:26,469 --> 02:22:26,000
she says terry you can control your

4073
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:26,479
thoughts

4074
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:29,439
and keep some private if you just try

4075
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:30,000
now

4076
02:22:35,429 --> 02:22:33,600
just been said to make me feel better it

4077
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:35,439
did calm me down and help me get

4078
02:22:39,349 --> 02:22:36,160
grounded

4079
02:22:41,830 --> 02:22:39,359
and kind of stay focused but

4080
02:22:43,030 --> 02:22:41,840
uh i don't know i know she's telling me

4081
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:43,040
the truth or not

4082
02:22:46,469 --> 02:22:45,600
i kind of hope so yeah so i wish i could

4083
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:46,479
control my

4084
02:22:50,230 --> 02:22:48,319
it's kind of one of those things where

4085
02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:50,240
she says you know you're not ready

4086
02:22:53,590 --> 02:22:53,120
like she's saying you're not ready but

4087
02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:53,600
that's

4088
02:22:57,270 --> 02:22:56,240
also a very broad like humanity as a

4089
02:23:00,070 --> 02:22:57,280
whole

4090
02:23:01,270 --> 02:23:00,080
that's what she would meant absolutely

4091
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:01,280
so that she's saying

4092
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:02,960
it's not the hard it's not the hardware

4093
02:23:07,670 --> 02:23:05,520
it's the software that's not ready maybe

4094
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:07,680
you think that could be not the hardware

4095
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:09,359
the software it's the software that's

4096
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:10,080
not ready

4097
02:23:13,990 --> 02:23:12,000
yeah you know the body and the brain

4098
02:23:16,150 --> 02:23:14,000
it's like we make up all these excuses

4099
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:16,160
by the way the brain is making up these

4100
02:23:24,389 --> 02:23:22,309
you know yeah i don't know that's a good

4101
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:24,399
question is it is it the hardware the

4102
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:25,280
software

4103
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,359
yeah that that's not ready like which

4104
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:29,359
one is it

4105
02:23:32,389 --> 02:23:31,040
and that's i mean bring it full circle

4106
02:23:34,070 --> 02:23:32,399
back to that

4107
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:34,080
that that idea of is this the end of the

4108
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:36,080
world or a new beginning and i choose to

4109
02:23:39,830 --> 02:23:36,479
be

4110
02:23:42,710 --> 02:23:39,840
the uh

4111
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:42,720
power of manifestation is that what you

4112
02:23:46,070 --> 02:23:44,399
listen to and what you choose to spend

4113
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:46,080
your time on will become your future

4114
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:48,800
and your reality absolutely if you spend

4115
02:23:51,429 --> 02:23:49,439
all your

4116
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:51,439
time talking about and listening to doom

4117
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:52,960
and gloom it's so easy to

4118
02:23:56,309 --> 02:23:54,240
to watch like we were talking about the

4119
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:56,319
beginning of the show the these these

4120
02:24:00,150 --> 02:23:59,520
uh fear porn on the on the news and

4121
02:24:01,910 --> 02:24:00,160
stuff

4122
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:01,920
and yeah that's really fun it's like oh

4123
02:24:08,389 --> 02:24:05,200
it's like mcdonald's you know as uh

4124
02:24:09,990 --> 02:24:08,399
jim gaffigan says but man if if

4125
02:24:11,830 --> 02:24:10,000
if you just get past that it's such an

4126
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:11,840
immediate you know once you get that

4127
02:24:16,070 --> 02:24:14,240
gratification that dopamine from all the

4128
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:16,080
bad [\h__\h] happening in the world

4129
02:24:19,349 --> 02:24:17,840
it's gone like that and then now you

4130
02:24:20,550 --> 02:24:19,359
feel like [\h__\h] and now you feel like

4131
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:20,560
humanity is lost

4132
02:24:24,870 --> 02:24:23,359
like that's no fun well it always it

4133
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:24,880
always ends right

4134
02:24:32,389 --> 02:24:28,479
you can't have a rebirth or growth

4135
02:24:36,469 --> 02:24:32,399
without destruction you know everything

4136
02:24:37,830 --> 02:24:36,479
everything in the universe uh comes from

4137
02:24:40,150 --> 02:24:37,840
you know you you think about an

4138
02:24:43,349 --> 02:24:40,160
explosion if we talk about this big bang

4139
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:43,359
this violent explosion event

4140
02:24:47,910 --> 02:24:45,840
right you have all this birth and then

4141
02:24:51,590 --> 02:24:47,920
you have planets and stars and

4142
02:24:54,870 --> 02:24:51,600
and galaxies ipa and they all

4143
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:54,880
they all eventually die they all

4144
02:24:57,990 --> 02:24:57,200
the suns explode and then what do they

4145
02:25:02,230 --> 02:24:58,000
do

4146
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:02,240
they create gases that then

4147
02:25:06,469 --> 02:25:05,280
collect and create new stars and or

4148
02:25:09,349 --> 02:25:06,479
become black holes

4149
02:25:10,070 --> 02:25:09,359
or you know create planets like without

4150
02:25:13,670 --> 02:25:10,080
destruction

4151
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:13,680
there is no rebirth or growth

4152
02:25:17,510 --> 02:25:16,640
so yeah you know it's it's balance is it

4153
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:17,520
balance

4154
02:25:21,990 --> 02:25:20,560
this is for dave scott it's fractal it's

4155
02:25:26,230 --> 02:25:22,000
fractal dude

4156
02:25:28,389 --> 02:25:26,240
i'm a big fractal guy me and simeon hein

4157
02:25:29,349 --> 02:25:28,399
yeah we are we are fractal kind of

4158
02:25:31,110 --> 02:25:29,359
people yeah

4159
02:25:32,710 --> 02:25:31,120
i got fascinated with fractals it's

4160
02:25:35,429 --> 02:25:32,720
crazy you mentioned that

4161
02:25:36,230 --> 02:25:35,439
my um fascinating my kid was in college

4162
02:25:39,190 --> 02:25:36,240
he was at

4163
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:39,200
michigan state university and uh we're

4164
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:40,560
sitting around

4165
02:25:44,230 --> 02:25:42,160
at dinner one night and he starts

4166
02:25:45,910 --> 02:25:44,240
telling me all about fractals

4167
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:45,920
and i'm like i never heard of that

4168
02:25:50,230 --> 02:25:47,280
before

4169
02:25:52,550 --> 02:25:50,240
kitchen i'm cutting up a head of cabbage

4170
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:52,560
and i'm counting all the stuff and i'm

4171
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:54,479
i mean i mean and i became obsessed with

4172
02:26:00,469 --> 02:25:57,200
this and then i started looking at

4173
02:26:03,670 --> 02:26:00,479
you know views of the forest and

4174
02:26:06,630 --> 02:26:03,680
there's just a million examples and a

4175
02:26:09,030 --> 02:26:06,640
pine cone is a great example a pineapple

4176
02:26:09,670 --> 02:26:09,040
you know and and you can count the math

4177
02:26:12,550 --> 02:26:09,680
and do the

4178
02:26:13,270 --> 02:26:12,560
the golden ratio forget the formula yeah

4179
02:26:14,870 --> 02:26:13,280
the ratio

4180
02:26:16,710 --> 02:26:14,880
is that the golden ratio i think that's

4181
02:26:18,830 --> 02:26:16,720
the golden ratio or the fibonacci

4182
02:26:22,469 --> 02:26:18,840
fibonacci sequence fibonacci numbers

4183
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:22,479
yeah so i recently took a photograph of

4184
02:26:26,469 --> 02:26:23,120
a of a

4185
02:26:28,469 --> 02:26:26,479
pine cone and man it's dude it's crazy

4186
02:26:33,110 --> 02:26:28,479
how perfect it is

4187
02:26:36,230 --> 02:26:33,120
it is and and you you wonder um

4188
02:26:37,349 --> 02:26:36,240
oh why you know it's just unanswered

4189
02:26:40,469 --> 02:26:37,359
questions

4190
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:40,479
like nature did that like

4191
02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:42,319
man had nothing to do with that

4192
02:26:45,990 --> 02:26:44,399
whatsoever you know

4193
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:46,000
the man would love to take credit for

4194
02:26:50,790 --> 02:26:48,640
that though well you know what elon musk

4195
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:50,800
says he says the odds of us living in a

4196
02:26:56,790 --> 02:26:52,800
simulated universe

4197
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:56,800
are 99 there's a one percent chance that

4198
02:26:59,110 --> 02:26:57,359
we're not

4199
02:27:03,670 --> 02:26:59,120
he's a smart guy i would believe

4200
02:27:07,030 --> 02:27:05,190
he's so calculated i think we talked

4201
02:27:08,389 --> 02:27:07,040
about it uh maybe a couple episodes ago

4202
02:27:11,110 --> 02:27:08,399
but terry have you ever

4203
02:27:13,429 --> 02:27:11,120
noticed this that like it's almost as if

4204
02:27:15,830 --> 02:27:13,439
everything he says

4205
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:15,840
he's getting messages from the future

4206
02:27:20,950 --> 02:27:17,520
don't say that or you're going to ruin

4207
02:27:23,349 --> 02:27:20,960
the timeline right like don't say too

4208
02:27:26,950 --> 02:27:25,270
you know i got to tell you i i couldn't

4209
02:27:27,590 --> 02:27:26,960
afford the car but i sure could afford

4210
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:27,600
the stock

4211
02:27:32,150 --> 02:27:30,000
because i knew tesla was going places

4212
02:27:34,389 --> 02:27:32,160
dave you got bitcoin and tesla dude

4213
02:27:35,910 --> 02:27:34,399
jeez that's awesome yeah we're gonna

4214
02:27:38,070 --> 02:27:35,920
have to have a conversation

4215
02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:38,080
yeah you're gonna have to be my my stock

4216
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:39,760
broker bro

4217
02:27:42,870 --> 02:27:41,280
i need to give a disclaimer here that

4218
02:27:44,710 --> 02:27:42,880
i'm not i'm not a licensed

4219
02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:44,720
financial advisor and nothing i say

4220
02:27:48,389 --> 02:27:46,560
should be taken as financial advice

4221
02:27:50,870 --> 02:27:48,399
he does know a lot about pine cones

4222
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:50,880
ladies and gentlemen

4223
02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:52,880
i invested for the first time like two

4224
02:27:56,469 --> 02:27:54,160
years ago and

4225
02:27:57,910 --> 02:27:56,479
i that doesn't mean buying a vest joe i

4226
02:27:59,910 --> 02:27:57,920
should not have done that

4227
02:28:01,030 --> 02:27:59,920
let's just say it would have been better

4228
02:28:04,550 --> 02:28:01,040
spent uh

4229
02:28:06,950 --> 02:28:04,560
like under under the mattress of my bed

4230
02:28:08,230 --> 02:28:06,960
let's just say that what'd you do i

4231
02:28:10,309 --> 02:28:08,240
don't know i bought

4232
02:28:12,309 --> 02:28:10,319
well okay so i take that back i bought

4233
02:28:15,429 --> 02:28:12,319
some weed stock that did pretty good

4234
02:28:17,030 --> 02:28:15,439
and then like yeah and uh like tractor

4235
02:28:18,790 --> 02:28:17,040
supply because i shop there

4236
02:28:20,389 --> 02:28:18,800
and for some reason in my head i thought

4237
02:28:21,910 --> 02:28:20,399
since i go to tractor supply all the

4238
02:28:26,950 --> 02:28:21,920
time my stock would rise but

4239
02:28:30,150 --> 02:28:26,960
it doesn't work that way

4240
02:28:32,070 --> 02:28:30,160
i i go there like at least almost

4241
02:28:33,510 --> 02:28:32,080
every every day of the week almost to

4242
02:28:34,710 --> 02:28:33,520
buy something but your head's in the

4243
02:28:36,150 --> 02:28:34,720
right place you're almost paying

4244
02:28:37,670 --> 02:28:36,160
yourself

4245
02:28:39,510 --> 02:28:37,680
by investing in places that you shop

4246
02:28:40,870 --> 02:28:39,520
yourself i mean yeah i invested in

4247
02:28:43,270 --> 02:28:40,880
academy sports and outdoors

4248
02:28:44,550 --> 02:28:43,280
so and that stock is on the rise i don't

4249
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:44,560
know

4250
02:28:49,110 --> 02:28:47,520
thought this would be a great time to

4251
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:49,120
buy uh stock in uh

4252
02:28:52,550 --> 02:28:52,160
cruise line cruise ships oh yeah that's

4253
02:28:54,150 --> 02:28:52,560
very

4254
02:28:57,030 --> 02:28:54,160
yeah people are going to be dying to

4255
02:28:58,710 --> 02:28:57,040
leave their dang houses and getting

4256
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:58,720
airline stocks they're going to go back

4257
02:29:02,309 --> 02:29:00,800
up yeah

4258
02:29:04,950 --> 02:29:02,319
i'm thinking about just pulling that

4259
02:29:05,429 --> 02:29:04,960
money out and investing it in some land

4260
02:29:09,349 --> 02:29:05,439
and

4261
02:29:11,429 --> 02:29:09,359
starting a cemetery a cinematory

4262
02:29:13,190 --> 02:29:11,439
yep that's something people always need

4263
02:29:15,110 --> 02:29:13,200
right that is true

4264
02:29:16,230 --> 02:29:15,120
you know what i had that same thought

4265
02:29:19,030 --> 02:29:16,240
and i'm dead serious

4266
02:29:19,349 --> 02:29:19,040
i thought about buying some acreage yeah

4267
02:29:21,750 --> 02:29:19,359
and

4268
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:21,760
uh i watched this woman on youtube who

4269
02:29:26,469 --> 02:29:23,120
was a

4270
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:26,479
mortician in california caitlin

4271
02:29:33,110 --> 02:29:29,840
doughty is her name and she's got

4272
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:33,120
great videos a ton of them on youtube

4273
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:36,000
and it's called ask the mortician and

4274
02:29:38,309 --> 02:29:37,680
she's talking about a movement to go

4275
02:29:41,270 --> 02:29:38,319
back to

4276
02:29:42,309 --> 02:29:41,280
natural burial where you know instead of

4277
02:29:44,309 --> 02:29:42,319
a big elaborate

4278
02:29:46,630 --> 02:29:44,319
instead of a casket instead of you know

4279
02:29:48,830 --> 02:29:46,640
eight gallons of embalming fluid that

4280
02:29:50,309 --> 02:29:48,840
reaches into the into the environment

4281
02:29:53,349 --> 02:29:50,319
yeah

4282
02:29:53,830 --> 02:29:53,359
have it have a natural uh you know maybe

4283
02:29:58,150 --> 02:29:53,840
a wood

4284
02:30:01,110 --> 02:29:58,160
a simple wooden coffin and a uh

4285
02:30:02,710 --> 02:30:01,120
a burial in nature without a vault yeah

4286
02:30:05,030 --> 02:30:02,720
there'd be no need for a vault

4287
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:05,040
there'd be no need for a casket just

4288
02:30:08,550 --> 02:30:05,840
backs and

4289
02:30:09,429 --> 02:30:08,560
offer people at a very affordable price

4290
02:30:12,070 --> 02:30:09,439
a simple

4291
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:12,080
natural you know all-natural burial

4292
02:30:14,550 --> 02:30:12,640
where

4293
02:30:16,150 --> 02:30:14,560
your body just returns to the soil as

4294
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:16,160
opposed to being

4295
02:30:19,510 --> 02:30:18,160
preserved in a box i think that'd be a

4296
02:30:22,070 --> 02:30:19,520
great idea i mean

4297
02:30:22,630 --> 02:30:22,080
have you seen the the wraps that they

4298
02:30:25,830 --> 02:30:22,640
have

4299
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:25,840
now where they're they sew in uh fungal

4300
02:30:29,349 --> 02:30:26,399
spores

4301
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:29,359
i gotta pee so whenever you do you are

4302
02:30:32,150 --> 02:30:30,240
buried

4303
02:30:33,990 --> 02:30:32,160
that uh you know mushrooms will then

4304
02:30:36,309 --> 02:30:34,000
grow and then like you'll eventually

4305
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:36,319
turn into a tree

4306
02:30:39,990 --> 02:30:39,280
yeah it's it's pretty it's pretty neat

4307
02:30:42,469 --> 02:30:40,000
but you know

4308
02:30:43,349 --> 02:30:42,479
for some reason i mean this and and this

4309
02:30:45,750 --> 02:30:43,359
always like kind of

4310
02:30:46,389 --> 02:30:45,760
hits my mind too when we discuss death

4311
02:30:48,550 --> 02:30:46,399
is like

4312
02:30:50,309 --> 02:30:48,560
you know going back to just ancient

4313
02:30:53,030 --> 02:30:50,319
cultures the fascination with the

4314
02:30:56,150 --> 02:30:53,040
preservation of your body

4315
02:30:59,270 --> 02:30:56,160
is is is very interesting to me

4316
02:31:01,510 --> 02:30:59,280
like what was you know

4317
02:31:03,429 --> 02:31:01,520
i mean their thoughts obviously right

4318
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:03,439
you know what if the gods come back

4319
02:31:06,950 --> 02:31:05,040
and they come to pick you up i mean you

4320
02:31:08,150 --> 02:31:06,960
you want to look good you know

4321
02:31:10,150 --> 02:31:08,160
you want to be yeah you want to be

4322
02:31:11,510 --> 02:31:10,160
preserved you know like what if they

4323
02:31:13,830 --> 02:31:11,520
bring you back to life and now you're

4324
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:13,840
all decomposed what good are you then

4325
02:31:19,910 --> 02:31:14,720
you know

4326
02:31:22,070 --> 02:31:19,920
about like well

4327
02:31:24,150 --> 02:31:22,080
your body is just this vessel for

4328
02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:24,160
whatever it is that is inside of you

4329
02:31:28,550 --> 02:31:26,000
your soul your consciousness

4330
02:31:29,270 --> 02:31:28,560
whatever whatever that is then it

4331
02:31:32,309 --> 02:31:29,280
doesn't matter

4332
02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:32,319
what your body does afterwards

4333
02:31:35,830 --> 02:31:34,240
yeah that's true i i mean i used to

4334
02:31:37,349 --> 02:31:35,840
think that uh

4335
02:31:39,510 --> 02:31:37,359
you know i have it in my world to be

4336
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:39,520
cremated and i used to think that was

4337
02:31:42,710 --> 02:31:41,120
environmentally friendly thing as

4338
02:31:44,550 --> 02:31:42,720
opposed to pouring eight gallons worth

4339
02:31:45,030 --> 02:31:44,560
of formaldehyde that leeches into the

4340
02:31:47,349 --> 02:31:45,040
ground

4341
02:31:49,270 --> 02:31:47,359
right and then i learned how much fossil

4342
02:31:51,750 --> 02:31:49,280
fuel it takes to burn a human body

4343
02:31:52,790 --> 02:31:51,760
right and how much chemicals go into the

4344
02:31:55,590 --> 02:31:52,800
go into the uh

4345
02:31:57,349 --> 02:31:55,600
into the air including uh you know stuff

4346
02:31:58,630 --> 02:31:57,359
cavities from your teeth that are filled

4347
02:32:00,630 --> 02:31:58,640
with um

4348
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:00,640
you know amalgam some of them filled

4349
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:02,560
with you know

4350
02:32:05,750 --> 02:32:04,080
there's all kinds of toxic stuff that

4351
02:32:07,590 --> 02:32:05,760
comes out too oh yeah

4352
02:32:10,230 --> 02:32:07,600
yeah so you know it burns a lot of

4353
02:32:13,990 --> 02:32:10,240
fossil fuels puts out a lot of exhaust

4354
02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:14,000
and uh the idea of a natural burial

4355
02:32:17,750 --> 02:32:16,319
in this you know bucolic nice forest

4356
02:32:19,110 --> 02:32:17,760
kind of setting

4357
02:32:21,349 --> 02:32:19,120
you know might be the kind of thing you

4358
02:32:22,070 --> 02:32:21,359
could sell you might make a lot of money

4359
02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:22,080
doing that

4360
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:25,200
absolutely absolutely i mean what a what

4361
02:32:31,270 --> 02:32:27,040
a trip like what a weird

4362
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:31,280
is a trippy thought to think that like

4363
02:32:36,870 --> 02:32:34,640
you're just energy right energy

4364
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:36,880
can't be created nor destroyed it's it's

4365
02:32:40,630 --> 02:32:38,000
always existed

4366
02:32:42,150 --> 02:32:40,640
like you are just this this energy this

4367
02:32:45,030 --> 02:32:42,160
this your body

4368
02:32:46,309 --> 02:32:45,040
is uh you know uses a lot of that energy

4369
02:32:47,990 --> 02:32:46,319
but like once you're

4370
02:32:49,429 --> 02:32:48,000
once you're gone like can you imagine

4371
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:49,439
like being put

4372
02:32:56,469 --> 02:32:53,120
in a forest and then like if your energy

4373
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:56,479
transfers into a tree like

4374
02:33:02,710 --> 02:32:59,520
like i feel like everything has

4375
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:02,720
some sort of sentience to it um yeah

4376
02:33:07,349 --> 02:33:04,399
it'd be a rock

4377
02:33:08,070 --> 02:33:07,359
or whatever i think that there's some

4378
02:33:11,510 --> 02:33:08,080
sort of

4379
02:33:14,070 --> 02:33:11,520
of sentience to to everything and the

4380
02:33:16,150 --> 02:33:14,080
the it's always crossed my mind like if

4381
02:33:18,550 --> 02:33:16,160
i had like a natural burial and i turned

4382
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:18,560
into a big tree can you imagine just

4383
02:33:24,710 --> 02:33:21,920
standing in the forest for 600 years

4384
02:33:25,750 --> 02:33:24,720
i am all that is powerful like what a

4385
02:33:29,349 --> 02:33:25,760
life that would be

4386
02:33:32,870 --> 02:33:29,359
you know very i saw a guy on a ted talk

4387
02:33:33,750 --> 02:33:32,880
one time who said that uh it was a woman

4388
02:33:37,110 --> 02:33:33,760
she said

4389
02:33:38,469 --> 02:33:37,120
that she did research and

4390
02:33:41,030 --> 02:33:38,479
she can prove that these trees

4391
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:41,040
communicate with each other oh yeah

4392
02:33:44,230 --> 02:33:43,040
that there's a network underground and

4393
02:33:46,630 --> 02:33:44,240
their roots connect

4394
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:46,640
and uh they cut down one tree in a

4395
02:33:51,830 --> 02:33:48,640
forest and the others are going to react

4396
02:33:54,790 --> 02:33:51,840
yeah yeah they do they do and you can

4397
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:54,800
physically see that as well you know i

4398
02:33:57,270 --> 02:33:55,040
do

4399
02:33:58,630 --> 02:33:57,280
you know you said rock uh that maybe a

4400
02:34:00,150 --> 02:33:58,640
rock could have some kind of

4401
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:00,160
consciousness to it

4402
02:34:04,070 --> 02:34:03,040
uh i was at with with whitley streber

4403
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:04,080
yvonne smith

4404
02:34:11,110 --> 02:34:08,080
and some other people at pine ridge

4405
02:34:12,469 --> 02:34:11,120
lakota uh native american reservation in

4406
02:34:16,230 --> 02:34:12,479
south dakota

4407
02:34:19,670 --> 02:34:16,240
in 2019 and we were the guest

4408
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:19,680
of uh chief dallas eagle and his wife

4409
02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:20,800
becky

4410
02:34:26,309 --> 02:34:24,160
and uh uh he's been a lakota chief all

4411
02:34:28,309 --> 02:34:26,319
his life and uh

4412
02:34:29,670 --> 02:34:28,319
uh there's this big bear rug in the

4413
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:29,680
middle of this like meeting room that

4414
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:31,040
they have

4415
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:32,880
and in the middle of this rug there's a

4416
02:34:39,670 --> 02:34:36,800
rock about the size of a softball

4417
02:34:40,550 --> 02:34:39,680
and i said hey chief what's up with the

4418
02:34:47,270 --> 02:34:40,560
rock

4419
02:34:48,950 --> 02:34:47,280
and he said you know when i have

4420
02:34:51,110 --> 02:34:48,960
problems

4421
02:34:53,190 --> 02:34:51,120
sometimes i'll sit down and i'll talk

4422
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:53,200
with grandfather rock

4423
02:34:57,510 --> 02:34:55,840
and i said how long have you had

4424
02:34:59,110 --> 02:34:57,520
grandfather rock

4425
02:35:01,750 --> 02:34:59,120
and he said i can't tell you in years

4426
02:35:06,150 --> 02:35:01,760
but i can tell you it's many generations

4427
02:35:08,550 --> 02:35:06,160
wow so i thought that was pretty cool

4428
02:35:09,910 --> 02:35:08,560
was it it is did it have crystals in it

4429
02:35:13,190 --> 02:35:09,920
it's like maybe quartz

4430
02:35:14,309 --> 02:35:13,200
or no just a plain ordinary rock wow

4431
02:35:16,710 --> 02:35:14,319
that's really cool i mean you think

4432
02:35:19,429 --> 02:35:16,720
about a rock and it's like well

4433
02:35:21,429 --> 02:35:19,439
i mean what does a rock do well i mean

4434
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:21,439
if you think about it

4435
02:35:27,590 --> 02:35:25,200
a rock is is that's that's

4436
02:35:29,349 --> 02:35:27,600
hundreds if not thousands of years of

4437
02:35:32,389 --> 02:35:29,359
recorded history

4438
02:35:33,990 --> 02:35:32,399
all inside of a rock you know it's it's

4439
02:35:37,590 --> 02:35:34,000
a record keeper

4440
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:37,600
like it keeps track of time like

4441
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:40,800
a a a rock is a time capsule and

4442
02:35:47,510 --> 02:35:44,240
and the stuff that it records you know

4443
02:35:49,030 --> 02:35:47,520
when you talk to this rock who's to say

4444
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:49,040
that that

4445
02:35:52,830 --> 02:35:51,439
rock isn't recording some sort of

4446
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:52,840
vibratory

4447
02:35:58,309 --> 02:35:56,000
information in it sure it's full of

4448
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,319
atoms it's got electrons moving around

4449
02:36:01,990 --> 02:36:00,640
just like you and i exactly and who's to

4450
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:02,000
say those electrons

4451
02:36:07,910 --> 02:36:05,920
that that rock has also at one point

4452
02:36:09,190 --> 02:36:07,920
who's to say it didn't share that same

4453
02:36:11,750 --> 02:36:09,200
electron and and

4454
02:36:12,469 --> 02:36:11,760
one of the cells in someone's body right

4455
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:12,479
right brain

4456
02:36:16,150 --> 02:36:14,240
quantum entanglement right there's

4457
02:36:18,389 --> 02:36:16,160
there's atoms that are quantum and

4458
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:18,399
that are that are across the universe

4459
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:20,560
that are probably entangled with that

4460
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:20,960
rock

4461
02:36:27,110 --> 02:36:24,960
absorbs is entangled

4462
02:36:29,990 --> 02:36:27,120
somewhere across the universe that

4463
02:36:33,110 --> 02:36:30,000
information is being transferred somehow

4464
02:36:34,870 --> 02:36:33,120
some way somewhere yeah

4465
02:36:36,150 --> 02:36:34,880
leave it to us three to make a rock a

4466
02:36:37,429 --> 02:36:36,160
conversation about a rock more

4467
02:36:40,870 --> 02:36:37,439
interesting than

4468
02:36:42,870 --> 02:36:40,880
that i've ever had yeah well you know

4469
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:42,880
it's interesting stuff it's stuff that

4470
02:36:46,790 --> 02:36:46,399
you know a lot of people don't think

4471
02:36:50,150 --> 02:36:46,800
about

4472
02:36:52,070 --> 02:36:50,160
yeah but we do yeah

4473
02:36:53,190 --> 02:36:52,080
yeah i love it dude i mean that that's

4474
02:36:55,349 --> 02:36:53,200
that's the kind of stuff that goes

4475
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:55,359
through our head like all the time like

4476
02:37:00,630 --> 02:36:58,560
uh yeah mine too yeah yeah dude

4477
02:37:01,830 --> 02:37:00,640
like there's just so much i feel like

4478
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,840
we're getting close we

4479
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:03,280
always feel like we're getting closer to

4480
02:37:06,870 --> 02:37:04,880
the what's the answer

4481
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:06,880
uh every day something new and something

4482
02:37:10,870 --> 02:37:09,200
new and man there's so many distractions

4483
02:37:12,469 --> 02:37:10,880
especially now like going back to what

4484
02:37:13,190 --> 02:37:12,479
we were talking about with the news and

4485
02:37:15,750 --> 02:37:13,200
stuff

4486
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:15,760
but man at the end of the day what i

4487
02:37:17,910 --> 02:37:16,479
enjoy is

4488
02:37:20,070 --> 02:37:17,920
having these kinds of conversations

4489
02:37:21,190 --> 02:37:20,080
where we're trying to put these puzzle

4490
02:37:25,830 --> 02:37:21,200
pieces together

4491
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:27,830
it's i think it is fractal man we're

4492
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:30,399
never we're always going to be going

4493
02:37:35,670 --> 02:37:33,600
even deeper and deeper uh but hey it

4494
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:35,680
feels good and i feel like we should

4495
02:37:39,190 --> 02:37:37,520
keep having these conversations oh

4496
02:37:42,070 --> 02:37:39,200
absolutely man

4497
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:42,080
terry what are your thoughts on on um

4498
02:37:49,110 --> 02:37:47,110
these different beings me and ben were

4499
02:37:51,990 --> 02:37:49,120
talking about this the other day

4500
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:52,000
and you know the conversations are all

4501
02:37:56,150 --> 02:37:53,120
over the place

4502
02:37:58,389 --> 02:37:56,160
on these different beings i mean

4503
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:58,399
by this time you've heard of a million

4504
02:38:01,349 --> 02:37:59,520
different kinds right

4505
02:38:02,710 --> 02:38:01,359
light beings dimensional

4506
02:38:05,389 --> 02:38:02,720
interdimensional

4507
02:38:06,550 --> 02:38:05,399
uh you know physical ones

4508
02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:06,560
extraterrestrial

4509
02:38:10,389 --> 02:38:08,800
extra dimensional they all mean

4510
02:38:11,750 --> 02:38:10,399
something a little bit different right

4511
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:11,760
you know like

4512
02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:15,200
just just because

4513
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:18,160
in my mind i think like yeah why

4514
02:38:21,830 --> 02:38:19,040
couldn't they

4515
02:38:23,670 --> 02:38:21,840
all exist on some plane right you have

4516
02:38:25,670 --> 02:38:23,680
these light beings that are like

4517
02:38:27,429 --> 02:38:25,680
highly dimensional then you have these

4518
02:38:28,070 --> 02:38:27,439
interdimensionals that can go from

4519
02:38:30,790 --> 02:38:28,080
wherever they

4520
02:38:31,190 --> 02:38:30,800
are into our dimension but then i also

4521
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:31,200
think

4522
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:34,160
of like these more physical type

4523
02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:35,760
encounters that happen

4524
02:38:41,750 --> 02:38:39,040
with people that yeah there

4525
02:38:43,750 --> 02:38:41,760
there might be just somebody in a you

4526
02:38:46,790 --> 02:38:43,760
know across the milky way

4527
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:46,800
that has that technology to actually

4528
02:38:51,990 --> 02:38:49,840
come here in a physical manner

4529
02:38:53,429 --> 02:38:52,000
you know what what are your thoughts on

4530
02:38:56,630 --> 02:38:53,439
the on the

4531
02:38:59,510 --> 02:38:56,640
the spectrum of these things i mean

4532
02:39:00,630 --> 02:38:59,520
i got an opinion on that joe i do yeah i

4533
02:39:04,230 --> 02:39:00,640
do i do

4534
02:39:05,830 --> 02:39:04,240
and you know if um

4535
02:39:08,070 --> 02:39:05,840
you guys have heard of helen keller

4536
02:39:09,910 --> 02:39:08,080
right you know who helen keller is

4537
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:09,920
everybody knows helen keller who

4538
02:39:14,230 --> 02:39:12,000
couldn't couldn't um

4539
02:39:15,830 --> 02:39:14,240
who was born actually she could hear

4540
02:39:19,349 --> 02:39:15,840
when she was born she lost her

4541
02:39:21,270 --> 02:39:19,359
her uh her sight and her hearing

4542
02:39:22,950 --> 02:39:21,280
uh when she was about 18 months old due

4543
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:22,960
to scarlet fever

4544
02:39:28,950 --> 02:39:27,040
right so she couldn't see couldn't hear

4545
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:28,960
and she could only experience the world

4546
02:39:33,750 --> 02:39:30,720
through taste and touch

4547
02:39:36,150 --> 02:39:33,760
and uh um

4548
02:39:36,790 --> 02:39:36,160
i think we're kind of like helen keller

4549
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:36,800
you know i

4550
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:40,080
i i heard this i've heard this

4551
02:39:44,150 --> 02:39:41,840
many times i bet you have too and that

4552
02:39:44,950 --> 02:39:44,160
is that you take a hundred percent of

4553
02:39:48,710 --> 02:39:44,960
the universe

4554
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:48,720
mathematically speaking and

4555
02:39:52,630 --> 02:39:51,920
six percent of it everything that we can

4556
02:39:55,750 --> 02:39:52,640
see

4557
02:39:58,790 --> 02:39:55,760
with our instruments x-rays uh

4558
02:40:02,150 --> 02:39:58,800
the universe dogs cats planets

4559
02:40:06,070 --> 02:40:02,160
everything accounts for six percent

4560
02:40:11,030 --> 02:40:06,080
of the universe so

4561
02:40:14,230 --> 02:40:11,040
94 or 95 depending on who you listen to

4562
02:40:16,630 --> 02:40:14,240
is either dark matter or dark energy

4563
02:40:18,150 --> 02:40:16,640
and they call it dark for a reason they

4564
02:40:20,550 --> 02:40:18,160
don't know what the hell it is

4565
02:40:21,830 --> 02:40:20,560
they have no idea right it can account

4566
02:40:25,030 --> 02:40:21,840
for it mathematically

4567
02:40:26,950 --> 02:40:25,040
they know that it has to exist but we

4568
02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:26,960
don't have a slightest idea what could

4569
02:40:30,550 --> 02:40:27,760
be in there

4570
02:40:31,510 --> 02:40:30,560
what that could be i mean could heaven

4571
02:40:33,990 --> 02:40:31,520
be in there

4572
02:40:36,710 --> 02:40:34,000
could there be civilizations of extra

4573
02:40:39,590 --> 02:40:36,720
dimensional beings in there

4574
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:39,600
i mean because we can't sense it we

4575
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:40,720
can't measure

4576
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:45,359
see it we can't

4577
02:40:48,469 --> 02:40:47,760
we know we only know it's there because

4578
02:40:50,950 --> 02:40:48,479
it has

4579
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:50,960
uh an effect that we can measure

4580
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:53,439
gravitationally on other objects and

4581
02:40:56,630 --> 02:40:55,439
celestial bodies i think you're speaking

4582
02:40:59,670 --> 02:40:56,640
to something kind of

4583
02:41:02,309 --> 02:40:59,680
awesome well it is awesome because

4584
02:41:02,870 --> 02:41:02,319
we you started out with our senses our

4585
02:41:06,070 --> 02:41:02,880
you know

4586
02:41:08,150 --> 02:41:06,080
our smell sight touch all that

4587
02:41:09,990 --> 02:41:08,160
but mathematically speaking or or

4588
02:41:11,349 --> 02:41:10,000
physics and and

4589
02:41:13,110 --> 02:41:11,359
writing it down on paper and

4590
02:41:14,389 --> 02:41:13,120
communicating that to other human beings

4591
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:14,399
that can also

4592
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:16,640
understand that language it's it's it's

4593
02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:17,680
almost the

4594
02:41:24,790 --> 02:41:21,279
the same on the same line where

4595
02:41:26,710 --> 02:41:24,800
just so the dark matter thing

4596
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:26,720
we know that it exists because we can

4597
02:41:32,070 --> 02:41:28,720
observe the reaction

4598
02:41:33,990 --> 02:41:32,080
so that tells me that we're only we only

4599
02:41:35,110 --> 02:41:34,000
confirm something is real because of the

4600
02:41:37,110 --> 02:41:35,120
reaction it makes

4601
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:37,120
to another thing and that's

4602
02:41:41,510 --> 02:41:38,479
fundamentally

4603
02:41:44,070 --> 02:41:41,520
how we observe everything right like

4604
02:41:45,750 --> 02:41:44,080
relativity that's how we observe stuff

4605
02:41:46,870 --> 02:41:45,760
because it has a reaction to something

4606
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:46,880
else

4607
02:41:49,990 --> 02:41:49,040
nothing can just simply be there's no

4608
02:41:53,830 --> 02:41:50,000
mathematic

4609
02:41:55,910 --> 02:41:53,840
equation for something it has to be

4610
02:41:58,230 --> 02:41:55,920
in relation to something else because of

4611
02:41:59,510 --> 02:41:58,240
something yes yeah yeah that's kind of

4612
02:42:02,710 --> 02:41:59,520
tricky to think about

4613
02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:02,720
that's kind of a fractal uh idea too

4614
02:42:06,790 --> 02:42:06,160
yeah it is it is a lot of space out

4615
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:06,800
there

4616
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:10,560
i mean lots of stars but man we can we

4617
02:42:13,190 --> 02:42:11,200
just

4618
02:42:14,389 --> 02:42:13,200
human brain has trouble my human brain

4619
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:14,399
has trouble

4620
02:42:18,150 --> 02:42:16,399
wrapping my mind around the distances

4621
02:42:22,710 --> 02:42:18,160
that are involved

4622
02:42:24,870 --> 02:42:22,720
yeah yeah absolutely you ever just like

4623
02:42:25,670 --> 02:42:24,880
go out on a dark night you know and look

4624
02:42:29,429 --> 02:42:25,680
up

4625
02:42:31,990 --> 02:42:29,439
and you're just like some of that stuff

4626
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:32,000
it doesn't even exist anymore and we

4627
02:42:35,670 --> 02:42:33,120
still see it

4628
02:42:36,870 --> 02:42:35,680
like that that star i'm looking at

4629
02:42:39,910 --> 02:42:36,880
doesn't even exist

4630
02:42:40,630 --> 02:42:39,920
it's been gone for millions of years and

4631
02:42:43,429 --> 02:42:40,640
here i am

4632
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:43,439
looking at it still it's a time machine

4633
02:42:47,269 --> 02:42:43,760
yeah

4634
02:42:49,269 --> 02:42:47,279
it really is terry do you do you

4635
02:42:52,070 --> 02:42:49,279
you know i know you have a phobia of

4636
02:42:56,070 --> 02:42:52,080
walking across open fields

4637
02:42:58,710 --> 02:42:56,080
and you still don't do that do you uh

4638
02:43:00,469 --> 02:42:58,720
do you ever just stargaze at night maybe

4639
02:43:00,870 --> 02:43:00,479
out on your porch do you ever just go

4640
02:43:04,309 --> 02:43:00,880
out

4641
02:43:05,910 --> 02:43:04,319
and look or do you kind of stay away

4642
02:43:09,590 --> 02:43:05,920
from that too

4643
02:43:12,070 --> 02:43:09,600
you know not very often um i spent five

4644
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:12,080
years living in american samoa

4645
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:14,160
when i worked down there and that's in

4646
02:43:17,269 --> 02:43:15,840
the southern hemisphere

4647
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:17,279
it's the only us territory in the

4648
02:43:22,950 --> 02:43:20,160
southern hemisphere and uh

4649
02:43:24,710 --> 02:43:22,960
the night sky down there uh was just a

4650
02:43:26,230 --> 02:43:24,720
little bitty tiny island about the size

4651
02:43:29,990 --> 02:43:26,240
of dc

4652
02:43:32,710 --> 02:43:30,000
with 67 000 people on it um

4653
02:43:34,389 --> 02:43:32,720
but i lived on the side i lived on a

4654
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:34,399
beach the first two years i was there

4655
02:43:37,030 --> 02:43:35,680
and then we moved to a village and i

4656
02:43:38,389 --> 02:43:37,040
lived on the side of this dormant

4657
02:43:40,950 --> 02:43:38,399
volcano

4658
02:43:43,349 --> 02:43:40,960
and so there was no in my backyard there

4659
02:43:45,349 --> 02:43:43,359
was zero light pollution

4660
02:43:46,950 --> 02:43:45,359
and i mean the stars were just

4661
02:43:48,790 --> 02:43:46,960
incredible

4662
02:43:51,030 --> 02:43:48,800
and it's they're different than they are

4663
02:43:53,590 --> 02:43:51,040
here you know the southern cross

4664
02:43:54,550 --> 02:43:53,600
uh that thing is real and uh and it's

4665
02:43:56,070 --> 02:43:54,560
beautiful

4666
02:43:58,070 --> 02:43:56,080
you know and it was there a long time

4667
02:43:58,710 --> 02:43:58,080
and i felt comfortable at night looking

4668
02:44:02,550 --> 02:43:58,720
at the

4669
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:02,560
sky there i never saw a single um

4670
02:44:07,269 --> 02:44:04,880
thing i couldn't account for in the sky

4671
02:44:10,870 --> 02:44:07,279
uh i never saw a ufo and never saw

4672
02:44:13,349 --> 02:44:10,880
anything that i couldn't attribute to

4673
02:44:13,990 --> 02:44:13,359
being something valid something you know

4674
02:44:17,670 --> 02:44:14,000
known

4675
02:44:18,389 --> 02:44:17,680
right but then come back to the states

4676
02:44:22,710 --> 02:44:18,399
and it's all

4677
02:44:26,469 --> 02:44:25,590
man what is it about the united states i

4678
02:44:28,710 --> 02:44:26,479
know what happened

4679
02:44:29,750 --> 02:44:28,720
i mean i know there's all kinds of stuff

4680
02:44:33,349 --> 02:44:29,760
happening all

4681
02:44:35,429 --> 02:44:33,359
over the world but maybe is it just us

4682
02:44:37,910 --> 02:44:35,439
thinking we're well i mean the rest of

4683
02:44:40,150 --> 02:44:37,920
the world is is pretty open about the

4684
02:44:41,670 --> 02:44:40,160
topic i think what makes the united

4685
02:44:44,790 --> 02:44:41,680
states so interesting is

4686
02:44:48,630 --> 02:44:44,800
has been it's just it's secrecy

4687
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:48,640
secrecy yeah and the taboo

4688
02:44:53,990 --> 02:44:51,680
of the subject as a whole that

4689
02:44:55,830 --> 02:44:54,000
you know it probably makes a lot of

4690
02:44:56,710 --> 02:44:55,840
people uneasy you know like when we talk

4691
02:44:58,630 --> 02:44:56,720
about it i mean it's

4692
02:44:59,990 --> 02:44:58,640
just now starting to become something

4693
02:45:02,309 --> 02:45:00,000
that people

4694
02:45:04,150 --> 02:45:02,319
are starting to open their minds about

4695
02:45:05,670 --> 02:45:04,160
you know here in the states but i mean

4696
02:45:08,469 --> 02:45:05,680
you go down to peru

4697
02:45:09,190 --> 02:45:08,479
and they're like yeah the sky people or

4698
02:45:10,630 --> 02:45:09,200
yeah

4699
02:45:12,469 --> 02:45:10,640
you know like that's just what do you

4700
02:45:14,469 --> 02:45:12,479
want to know regular conversation to

4701
02:45:14,950 --> 02:45:14,479
them like they believe that stuff that's

4702
02:45:17,349 --> 02:45:14,960
not

4703
02:45:18,550 --> 02:45:17,359
something that's like hidden or secret

4704
02:45:20,870 --> 02:45:18,560
or taboo

4705
02:45:21,750 --> 02:45:20,880
it's part of their culture a lot of

4706
02:45:23,670 --> 02:45:21,760
these you know

4707
02:45:25,030 --> 02:45:23,680
well look at puerto rico that's another

4708
02:45:27,190 --> 02:45:25,040
little spit of an island

4709
02:45:29,110 --> 02:45:27,200
but it's in the northern hemisphere you

4710
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:29,120
know it's got all kinds of ufo activity

4711
02:45:31,429 --> 02:45:30,240
and that's where i think that's where

4712
02:45:34,550 --> 02:45:31,439
the chupacabra

4713
02:45:36,309 --> 02:45:34,560
originated yeah yeah uh

4714
02:45:37,830 --> 02:45:36,319
somewhere in the size uh skies ryan

4715
02:45:39,670 --> 02:45:37,840
sprague just posted a

4716
02:45:41,269 --> 02:45:39,680
a whole episode on puerto rico and like

4717
02:45:44,790 --> 02:45:41,279
yeah that's where it originated

4718
02:45:46,710 --> 02:45:44,800
the the uh chupacabra

4719
02:45:48,630 --> 02:45:46,720
and that that's stuff has been happening

4720
02:45:52,469 --> 02:45:48,640
there forever

4721
02:45:54,070 --> 02:45:52,479
oh my god yeah jeez

4722
02:45:56,230 --> 02:45:54,080
yeah but they the difference is they

4723
02:45:57,030 --> 02:45:56,240
talk about it yeah yeah this stuff has

4724
02:45:59,910 --> 02:45:57,040
been happening

4725
02:46:00,469 --> 02:45:59,920
here forever but nobody talks about it

4726
02:46:01,910 --> 02:46:00,479
right

4727
02:46:03,830 --> 02:46:01,920
i don't want to lose my job i don't want

4728
02:46:05,030 --> 02:46:03,840
to thank people to think i'm crazy you

4729
02:46:08,150 --> 02:46:05,040
know like i don't want to

4730
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:08,160
you know lose my house and get

4731
02:46:11,190 --> 02:46:10,240
you know throw it in a padded room yeah

4732
02:46:12,389 --> 02:46:11,200
you know but

4733
02:46:15,110 --> 02:46:12,399
you know what though there's a lot of

4734
02:46:17,510 --> 02:46:15,120
military stuff around puerto rico

4735
02:46:18,469 --> 02:46:17,520
there is there is none around american

4736
02:46:20,870 --> 02:46:18,479
samoa

4737
02:46:21,670 --> 02:46:20,880
so maybe that's part of their interest

4738
02:46:24,870 --> 02:46:21,680
too that's

4739
02:46:25,510 --> 02:46:24,880
that's a very uh interesting point for

4740
02:46:32,790 --> 02:46:25,520
sure

4741
02:46:35,990 --> 02:46:32,800
do you think that your

4742
02:46:39,750 --> 02:46:36,000
your devil's den encounter um maybe

4743
02:46:43,190 --> 02:46:39,760
had any military relation to it like

4744
02:46:47,110 --> 02:46:43,200
i don't know my labs type stuff

4745
02:46:49,990 --> 02:46:47,120
you know i've thought about that um

4746
02:46:51,990 --> 02:46:50,000
i thought you know well what if this

4747
02:46:54,710 --> 02:46:52,000
experience that we had wasn't it wasn't

4748
02:46:59,590 --> 02:46:56,389
you know what if toby and i had an

4749
02:47:02,870 --> 02:46:59,600
experience that was manufactured somehow

4750
02:47:03,269 --> 02:47:02,880
yeah and uh toward what an end i don't

4751
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:03,279
know

4752
02:47:08,510 --> 02:47:07,120
crazy things in my legs

4753
02:47:10,230 --> 02:47:08,520
you know um

4754
02:47:13,349 --> 02:47:10,240
[Music]

4755
02:47:14,150 --> 02:47:13,359
i don't know somebody has an agenda i

4756
02:47:19,190 --> 02:47:14,160
don't know who

4757
02:47:22,230 --> 02:47:19,200
you know the military maybe

4758
02:47:23,349 --> 02:47:22,240
i don't uh i don't fully trust our

4759
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:23,359
government

4760
02:47:28,870 --> 02:47:26,640
right right yeah i mean you you know

4761
02:47:30,230 --> 02:47:28,880
wait talking you know just to people

4762
02:47:32,150 --> 02:47:30,240
like melinda leslie

4763
02:47:34,070 --> 02:47:32,160
and like her whole stories and

4764
02:47:36,150 --> 02:47:34,080
everything that she talks about

4765
02:47:38,150 --> 02:47:36,160
and then you know even like the betty

4766
02:47:39,590 --> 02:47:38,160
and barty hill story where they talk

4767
02:47:42,870 --> 02:47:39,600
about you know seeing these

4768
02:47:45,110 --> 02:47:42,880
these two red-headed men that were

4769
02:47:46,870 --> 02:47:45,120
in the craft or came out of the craft

4770
02:47:47,190 --> 02:47:46,880
and they had german shepherds what

4771
02:47:50,150 --> 02:47:47,200
looked

4772
02:47:52,309 --> 02:47:50,160
to be like german shepherds at you know

4773
02:47:52,630 --> 02:47:52,319
with them and they had military garbanzo

4774
02:47:54,309 --> 02:47:52,640
and

4775
02:47:56,309 --> 02:47:54,319
what was it the uh the republic of

4776
02:47:59,429 --> 02:47:56,319
ireland i guess was an ally

4777
02:48:00,150 --> 02:47:59,439
to nazi germany at the time it was like

4778
02:48:11,990 --> 02:48:00,160
a

4779
02:48:14,550 --> 02:48:12,000
shepherd

4780
02:48:15,190 --> 02:48:14,560
and these two redheaded irish looking

4781
02:48:17,830 --> 02:48:15,200
people

4782
02:48:18,389 --> 02:48:17,840
that were on the craft and maybe that's

4783
02:48:21,269 --> 02:48:18,399
why

4784
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:21,279
you know barney had a little bit more of

4785
02:48:29,349 --> 02:48:22,160
a

4786
02:48:31,190 --> 02:48:29,359
betty you know you know

4787
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:31,200
being an interracial couple back in the

4788
02:48:34,950 --> 02:48:33,200
day you know that

4789
02:48:36,710 --> 02:48:34,960
there are some puzzle pieces that really

4790
02:48:39,110 --> 02:48:36,720
kind of fit in

4791
02:48:39,910 --> 02:48:39,120
to some of these stories and it's just

4792
02:48:41,670 --> 02:48:39,920
like

4793
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:41,680
wow and then and then you listen to

4794
02:48:45,190 --> 02:48:43,279
people like michael shrap

4795
02:48:46,309 --> 02:48:45,200
and you you hear about all these you

4796
02:48:48,469 --> 02:48:46,319
know like well yeah

4797
02:48:49,590 --> 02:48:48,479
these these breakaway civilizations

4798
02:48:52,870 --> 02:48:49,600
there is a

4799
02:48:56,309 --> 02:48:52,880
a whole nother uh you know

4800
02:48:57,990 --> 02:48:56,319
space agency that's been doing flying to

4801
02:49:00,230 --> 02:48:58,000
the moon since the 40s

4802
02:49:02,230 --> 02:49:00,240
yeah have you heard have you heard about

4803
02:49:03,990 --> 02:49:02,240
about michael schratt's uh

4804
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:04,000
book and and the things that he's

4805
02:49:07,269 --> 02:49:06,000
talking like the the airship of night

4806
02:49:09,590 --> 02:49:07,279
what was it like 18

4807
02:49:10,630 --> 02:49:09,600
it's like 1891 or something yeah the

4808
02:49:14,710 --> 02:49:10,640
error it was

4809
02:49:17,110 --> 02:49:14,720
it was in aurora texas 1897 i believe

4810
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:17,120
if you if you google the dallas morning

4811
02:49:20,150 --> 02:49:17,920
news

4812
02:49:21,269 --> 02:49:20,160
uh in aurora texas you'll come up with

4813
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:21,279
the story

4814
02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:24,880
and it was a dirigible airship

4815
02:49:31,030 --> 02:49:28,319
that was made silver and silver in color

4816
02:49:33,190 --> 02:49:31,040
and uh interestingly i mean the people

4817
02:49:34,870 --> 02:49:33,200
that view it that saw this ship

4818
02:49:36,790 --> 02:49:34,880
described it in terms that they would

4819
02:49:38,309 --> 02:49:36,800
understand in 1897

4820
02:49:39,990 --> 02:49:38,319
right yeah because they had the

4821
02:49:43,030 --> 02:49:40,000
originals then

4822
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:43,040
and this was propeller driven

4823
02:49:46,070 --> 02:49:45,120
they said that it was propeller driven

4824
02:49:50,309 --> 02:49:46,080
and it crashed

4825
02:49:52,389 --> 02:49:50,319
into a windmill on the farm on a farm

4826
02:49:56,389 --> 02:49:52,399
owned by some judge

4827
02:49:59,750 --> 02:49:56,399
and crashed and the occupant on it

4828
02:50:01,030 --> 02:49:59,760
uh died in the crash and they said that

4829
02:50:03,269 --> 02:50:01,040
um

4830
02:50:05,670 --> 02:50:03,279
the closest thing that aurora texas in

4831
02:50:08,630 --> 02:50:05,680
1897 had to a scientist

4832
02:50:11,349 --> 02:50:08,640
was a gentleman who worked for the it

4833
02:50:13,429 --> 02:50:11,359
was before the weather service

4834
02:50:14,870 --> 02:50:13,439
it was like the meteorological service

4835
02:50:17,910 --> 02:50:14,880
or something

4836
02:50:19,830 --> 02:50:17,920
but what his job was was to

4837
02:50:22,309 --> 02:50:19,840
to report barometric pressure

4838
02:50:24,550 --> 02:50:22,319
temperature readings precipitation

4839
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:24,560
to ship all that information by

4840
02:50:28,309 --> 02:50:25,520
telegraph to

4841
02:50:29,990 --> 02:50:28,319
uh to washington d.c so it was a weather

4842
02:50:32,469 --> 02:50:30,000
observer for the government

4843
02:50:34,150 --> 02:50:32,479
why did they hire a tiny alien dude to

4844
02:50:37,429 --> 02:50:34,160
do that job

4845
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:37,439
yeah no kidding no kidding yeah

4846
02:50:42,550 --> 02:50:40,880
but this guy said that in his opinion

4847
02:50:45,110 --> 02:50:42,560
that the occupant of the airship came

4848
02:50:46,790 --> 02:50:45,120
from mars

4849
02:50:48,710 --> 02:50:46,800
right sounds like an assumption to me

4850
02:50:51,110 --> 02:50:48,720
but yeah it definitely does

4851
02:50:52,870 --> 02:50:51,120
it definitely does certain you know

4852
02:50:53,670 --> 02:50:52,880
michael makes this really interesting

4853
02:50:56,230 --> 02:50:53,680
connection

4854
02:50:56,950 --> 02:50:56,240
where he talks about like yeah texas has

4855
02:51:00,630 --> 02:50:56,960
one of the most

4856
02:51:04,070 --> 02:51:00,640
famous airships uh the crash

4857
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:04,080
you know obviously but yeah um

4858
02:51:11,110 --> 02:51:07,920
during that time how there was like

4859
02:51:12,790 --> 02:51:11,120
lots of sightings of these airships down

4860
02:51:14,950 --> 02:51:12,800
in the southwest

4861
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:14,960
there sure were yeah there was a whole

4862
02:51:18,870 --> 02:51:16,640
bunch of them and

4863
02:51:20,070 --> 02:51:18,880
uh i forget the author that he had

4864
02:51:23,190 --> 02:51:20,080
referenced in it

4865
02:51:26,710 --> 02:51:23,200
but he had jim mars i think with the

4866
02:51:28,150 --> 02:51:26,720
the sonoma air era air group i think is

4867
02:51:31,429 --> 02:51:28,160
what it was called

4868
02:51:35,190 --> 02:51:31,439
um where he had he had made the link

4869
02:51:38,469 --> 02:51:35,200
to this uh a group of scientists

4870
02:51:39,910 --> 02:51:38,479
that were pretty wealthy and and way

4871
02:51:42,550 --> 02:51:39,920
ahead of their time

4872
02:51:43,110 --> 02:51:42,560
and at the same time there was the gold

4873
02:51:45,750 --> 02:51:43,120
rush

4874
02:51:48,150 --> 02:51:45,760
that was happening and the fastest way

4875
02:51:48,950 --> 02:51:48,160
to transport this gold back to the east

4876
02:51:51,269 --> 02:51:48,960
coast

4877
02:51:52,070 --> 02:51:51,279
was through these flying ships and

4878
02:51:54,550 --> 02:51:52,080
there's

4879
02:51:55,910 --> 02:51:54,560
a lot of accounts of these ships coming

4880
02:51:58,790 --> 02:51:55,920
over towns

4881
02:52:00,469 --> 02:51:58,800
and ropes would come down and people

4882
02:52:02,389 --> 02:52:00,479
would come out and they would ask for

4883
02:52:04,630 --> 02:52:02,399
water and they looked like humans

4884
02:52:06,070 --> 02:52:04,640
they had like these these rose-colored

4885
02:52:08,389 --> 02:52:06,080
glasses on

4886
02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:08,399
and uh they heard laughter coming from

4887
02:52:13,269 --> 02:52:10,560
these ships and things like that

4888
02:52:13,670 --> 02:52:13,279
but he was saying that it's possible

4889
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:13,680
that

4890
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:16,560
maybe there is this you know secret

4891
02:52:19,910 --> 02:52:18,000
group of people

4892
02:52:22,150 --> 02:52:19,920
with these you know really advanced

4893
02:52:25,030 --> 02:52:22,160
scientists that figured this out

4894
02:52:26,469 --> 02:52:25,040
and from then on they just kept going

4895
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:26,479
and they created the space

4896
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:28,960
program and then our current day space

4897
02:52:34,150 --> 02:52:31,040
program is just kind of like a front

4898
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:34,160
for you know yeah for whatever it is

4899
02:52:38,389 --> 02:52:35,920
that our government is doing right

4900
02:52:40,469 --> 02:52:38,399
there's there's there's this you have

4901
02:52:43,269 --> 02:52:40,479
our government and then you have those

4902
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:43,279
those other people up top who kind of

4903
02:52:46,710 --> 02:52:44,720
tell the world what's

4904
02:52:48,389 --> 02:52:46,720
what's happening so what's going on the

4905
02:52:50,630 --> 02:52:48,399
one that's in michael stratt's book

4906
02:52:51,429 --> 02:52:50,640
is not the aurora one it's a different

4907
02:52:54,150 --> 02:52:51,439
one but

4908
02:52:55,429 --> 02:52:54,160
it has like this steampunk looking ship

4909
02:52:57,429 --> 02:52:55,439
uh and wings

4910
02:52:59,269 --> 02:52:57,439
and people described it they they

4911
02:53:01,750 --> 02:52:59,279
described it as like

4912
02:53:04,070 --> 02:53:01,760
these people were having a party on this

4913
02:53:04,469 --> 02:53:04,080
airship and like they were like haha yes

4914
02:53:07,990 --> 02:53:04,479
ah

4915
02:53:10,389 --> 02:53:08,000
the the people down below and like were

4916
02:53:12,630 --> 02:53:10,399
drinking and laughing speaking english

4917
02:53:14,150 --> 02:53:12,640
dude to me that sounds like a breakaway

4918
02:53:14,710 --> 02:53:14,160
civilization that's just like you know

4919
02:53:17,910 --> 02:53:14,720
what

4920
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:17,920
let's just take a right here i gotta pee

4921
02:53:21,269 --> 02:53:19,680
that they ended up in this small town

4922
02:53:24,950 --> 02:53:21,279
and accidentally got saw

4923
02:53:26,389 --> 02:53:24,960
seen well yeah you know that's possible

4924
02:53:27,830 --> 02:53:26,399
you know it's also possible it's a

4925
02:53:30,469 --> 02:53:27,840
screen memory too

4926
02:53:32,230 --> 02:53:30,479
you know i i talk about i got letters

4927
02:53:34,150 --> 02:53:32,240
you know i saw monkeys in my room my

4928
02:53:36,469 --> 02:53:34,160
cousin saw little clowns

4929
02:53:37,590 --> 02:53:36,479
i got letters from people who saw uh

4930
02:53:40,950 --> 02:53:37,600
glowing orbs

4931
02:53:42,550 --> 02:53:40,960
and little grey men and a kid in el paso

4932
02:53:45,990 --> 02:53:42,560
i talked to on the phone

4933
02:53:47,750 --> 02:53:46,000
who saw this globe of light this this

4934
02:53:49,190 --> 02:53:47,760
orb of light come through the screen of

4935
02:53:52,870 --> 02:53:49,200
his bedroom

4936
02:53:54,710 --> 02:53:52,880
and would turn into a possum on two legs

4937
02:53:56,790 --> 02:53:54,720
that stood upright

4938
02:53:59,830 --> 02:53:56,800
and was like three foot tall and would

4939
02:54:01,349 --> 02:53:59,840
communicate with him telepathically

4940
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:01,359
and he could never remember what it told

4941
02:54:05,910 --> 02:54:03,200
him oh my god

4942
02:54:06,630 --> 02:54:05,920
so have you have you talked to anybody

4943
02:54:10,150 --> 02:54:06,640
or spoken in

4944
02:54:12,309 --> 02:54:10,160
anybody that talks about that okay

4945
02:54:15,510 --> 02:54:12,319
apparently there's a species there's the

4946
02:54:17,750 --> 02:54:15,520
uh there's the mantid species that often

4947
02:54:19,110 --> 02:54:17,760
interacts with humankind in a humorous

4948
02:54:22,469 --> 02:54:19,120
way

4949
02:54:26,389 --> 02:54:22,479
uh and that's who i guess

4950
02:54:27,750 --> 02:54:26,399
uh uh is behind some of these humorous

4951
02:54:29,590 --> 02:54:27,760
things like the possum thing that you're

4952
02:54:31,750 --> 02:54:29,600
talking about we we heard a story

4953
02:54:33,429 --> 02:54:31,760
joe uh he's better at names i'm terrible

4954
02:54:34,070 --> 02:54:33,439
at names but there's a gentleman who

4955
02:54:37,269 --> 02:54:34,080
talks about

4956
02:54:38,389 --> 02:54:37,279
a floating burrito coming into his room

4957
02:54:40,550 --> 02:54:38,399
and like

4958
02:54:42,150 --> 02:54:40,560
you know that was apparently some kind

4959
02:54:43,030 --> 02:54:42,160
of screen memory thing but apparently

4960
02:54:45,910 --> 02:54:43,040
like the

4961
02:54:46,950 --> 02:54:45,920
the uh the mantis species is behind this

4962
02:54:48,870 --> 02:54:46,960
humorous thing they

4963
02:54:50,710 --> 02:54:48,880
for some reason they understand that

4964
02:54:53,269 --> 02:54:50,720
humor is a better way to uh

4965
02:54:55,269 --> 02:54:53,279
to communicate with humans so yeah i'm

4966
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:55,279
curious did he say anything about

4967
02:54:58,630 --> 02:54:56,880
what these entities did he ever get a

4968
02:54:59,990 --> 02:54:58,640
good look at him did they look like bugs

4969
02:55:02,070 --> 02:55:00,000
or

4970
02:55:03,349 --> 02:55:02,080
yeah this well this kid i talked to uh

4971
02:55:05,670 --> 02:55:03,359
in el paso

4972
02:55:06,469 --> 02:55:05,680
was very clear uh and his mother what

4973
02:55:08,070 --> 02:55:06,479
his mother did was

4974
02:55:09,590 --> 02:55:08,080
because the kid would scream some nights

4975
02:55:11,190 --> 02:55:09,600
and just scream bloody murder and be

4976
02:55:12,710 --> 02:55:11,200
terrified right

4977
02:55:14,309 --> 02:55:12,720
and he told his mother that there's a

4978
02:55:15,670 --> 02:55:14,319
possum that comes into my room and she's

4979
02:55:17,510 --> 02:55:15,680
like well how do you know what a possum

4980
02:55:18,469 --> 02:55:17,520
looks like and she he said well i saw

4981
02:55:21,510 --> 02:55:18,479
one dead in the

4982
02:55:24,230 --> 02:55:21,520
in the backyard one day and

4983
02:55:26,230 --> 02:55:24,240
uh she said he said it's the same thing

4984
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:26,240
but it walks on two legs and talks like

4985
02:55:32,309 --> 02:55:27,359
a man

4986
02:55:32,950 --> 02:55:32,319
people email me and say yeah they saw

4987
02:55:36,309 --> 02:55:32,960
globes

4988
02:55:38,950 --> 02:55:36,319
of glowing orbs of light and owls

4989
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:38,960
and lots of owls and and deer and one

4990
02:55:41,910 --> 02:55:39,680
woman said

4991
02:55:43,590 --> 02:55:41,920
she had disney characters in her room

4992
02:55:45,110 --> 02:55:43,600
that would talk to her at night

4993
02:55:46,950 --> 02:55:45,120
so i think they got the ability to

4994
02:55:47,910 --> 02:55:46,960
appear to us the way we think it's most

4995
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:47,920
benign

4996
02:55:51,269 --> 02:55:50,000
that won't be uh we won't freak out that

4997
02:55:54,469 --> 02:55:51,279
yeah

4998
02:55:55,830 --> 02:55:54,479
dude well that's so i i know this is

4999
02:55:57,429 --> 02:55:55,840
like a traumatic thing

5000
02:55:59,349 --> 02:55:57,439
for you but i just got to know like the

5001
02:56:01,670 --> 02:55:59,359
monkey men like that seems to me like

5002
02:56:03,990 --> 02:56:01,680
not a benign thing like that is

5003
02:56:05,349 --> 02:56:04,000
to me if there was like a chimpanzee or

5004
02:56:06,950 --> 02:56:05,359
i don't know if

5005
02:56:09,110 --> 02:56:06,960
if it's specific as that or like a

5006
02:56:11,190 --> 02:56:09,120
monkey like that's a a very strong

5007
02:56:13,190 --> 02:56:11,200
animal that doesn't seem like a fun

5008
02:56:15,190 --> 02:56:13,200
thing that would be very terrifying but

5009
02:56:17,110 --> 02:56:15,200
george is more of a circus monkey

5010
02:56:18,309 --> 02:56:17,120
right yeah mine was more of a circus

5011
02:56:19,990 --> 02:56:18,319
monkey and i and i

5012
02:56:21,830 --> 02:56:20,000
as i said in the book i took them as

5013
02:56:25,590 --> 02:56:21,840
being kind of comical at first

5014
02:56:27,030 --> 02:56:25,600
yeah so you know i i wasn't

5015
02:56:30,630 --> 02:56:27,040
terrified of them but then when i

5016
02:56:32,389 --> 02:56:30,640
realized they were taking me

5017
02:56:34,550 --> 02:56:32,399
then i got scared of them you know what

5018
02:56:37,670 --> 02:56:34,560
was strange was i once we got

5019
02:56:38,870 --> 02:56:37,680
to wherever they took us took me i

5020
02:56:41,190 --> 02:56:38,880
wasn't scared at all

5021
02:56:43,910 --> 02:56:41,200
i mean i had friends there sue was there

5022
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:43,920
i was i was cool with that that was fine

5023
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:46,160
um but there was something terra and i

5024
02:56:53,269 --> 02:56:48,240
had no idea how they transported me

5025
02:56:57,590 --> 02:56:55,030
but that's that was the unknown part

5026
02:56:59,990 --> 02:56:57,600
about it is uh i was always afraid that

5027
02:57:01,670 --> 02:57:00,000
what if they didn't bring me back or

5028
02:57:03,910 --> 02:57:01,680
what if i get lost or what if they take

5029
02:57:06,950 --> 02:57:03,920
me someplace i didn't want to go

5030
02:57:07,750 --> 02:57:06,960
um you know but once you got there i

5031
02:57:10,389 --> 02:57:07,760
mean

5032
02:57:12,070 --> 02:57:10,399
things were pretty you you weren't

5033
02:57:13,110 --> 02:57:12,080
afraid of being in the place when once

5034
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:13,120
you got there is that

5035
02:57:16,469 --> 02:57:14,960
not not at all yeah felt very

5036
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:16,479
comfortable yeah

5037
02:57:19,990 --> 02:57:18,240
i think that's why i view betty as a

5038
02:57:22,550 --> 02:57:20,000
maternal figure

5039
02:57:24,550 --> 02:57:22,560
because she really was yeah that's

5040
02:57:26,950 --> 02:57:24,560
another commonality between a lot

5041
02:57:28,150 --> 02:57:26,960
a lot of experiencers is there there

5042
02:57:31,750 --> 02:57:28,160
always seems to be this

5043
02:57:36,150 --> 02:57:31,760
this one that is there

5044
02:57:38,150 --> 02:57:36,160
uh that kind of keeps you calm and

5045
02:57:39,910 --> 02:57:38,160
a lot of people say that it's usually

5046
02:57:41,510 --> 02:57:39,920
like a

5047
02:57:43,110 --> 02:57:41,520
they don't know if it's male or female

5048
02:57:46,630 --> 02:57:43,120
but it always has this

5049
02:57:49,750 --> 02:57:46,640
maternal or like feminine energy about

5050
02:57:53,349 --> 02:57:49,760
it that is there with you

5051
02:57:56,550 --> 02:57:53,359
that that talks to you or keeps you calm

5052
02:57:57,910 --> 02:57:56,560
and that's that's super interesting um

5053
02:58:00,070 --> 02:57:57,920
yeah it's just like the entity that

5054
02:58:02,070 --> 02:58:00,080
spoke to my wife telepathically and said

5055
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:02,080
everything's fine go back to sleep

5056
02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:05,279
right yeah right dude oh that

5057
02:58:09,510 --> 02:58:08,080
that that's that telepathic thing i mean

5058
02:58:10,389 --> 02:58:09,520
there's a reason why i asked you about

5059
02:58:12,950 --> 02:58:10,399
it because

5060
02:58:13,990 --> 02:58:12,960
i mean joe joe shared his orange globe

5061
02:58:15,910 --> 02:58:14,000
thing yeah

5062
02:58:17,990 --> 02:58:15,920
and it was around the same time that we

5063
02:58:21,030 --> 02:58:18,000
were starting this project we're working

5064
02:58:21,830 --> 02:58:21,040
on and man i hadn't i don't know what it

5065
02:58:23,910 --> 02:58:21,840
was man

5066
02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:23,920
it could have been a dream but i don't

5067
02:58:28,550 --> 02:58:26,560
think it was but i had this

5068
02:58:29,750 --> 02:58:28,560
voice i didn't i just i didn't hear it

5069
02:58:31,670 --> 02:58:29,760
audibly but i

5070
02:58:33,110 --> 02:58:31,680
understood it it was unlike any

5071
02:58:35,990 --> 02:58:33,120
experience that i've ever

5072
02:58:37,349 --> 02:58:36,000
but it was uh it was calming like i was

5073
02:58:39,030 --> 02:58:37,359
able to go back to sleep because i woke

5074
02:58:42,389 --> 02:58:39,040
up kind of terrified

5075
02:58:45,269 --> 02:58:42,399
uh and yeah it's it's so what it said

5076
02:58:47,510 --> 02:58:45,279
you know just over and over was like you

5077
02:58:49,510 --> 02:58:47,520
are you are a lightbringer you bring the

5078
02:58:51,670 --> 02:58:49,520
light

5079
02:58:52,710 --> 02:58:51,680
and i just found comfort in that i just

5080
02:58:54,550 --> 02:58:52,720
didn't know what that meant

5081
02:58:56,389 --> 02:58:54,560
but it felt like it was a good thing

5082
02:58:58,389 --> 02:58:56,399
like hey you're fine

5083
02:58:59,429 --> 02:58:58,399
stop worrying about it your anxiety is

5084
02:59:01,750 --> 02:58:59,439
is is

5085
02:59:04,150 --> 02:59:01,760
you know you're doing you're not doing

5086
02:59:07,190 --> 02:59:04,160
yourself any favors by by being anxious

5087
02:59:07,670 --> 02:59:07,200
waking up scared i just felt this thing

5088
02:59:11,510 --> 02:59:07,680
just

5089
02:59:12,950 --> 02:59:11,520
in my head man

5090
02:59:14,630 --> 02:59:12,960
so that's why i asked you earlier did

5091
02:59:17,190 --> 02:59:14,640
your wife hear this audibly or

5092
02:59:18,870 --> 02:59:17,200
did she feel it or there's no what's the

5093
02:59:19,750 --> 02:59:18,880
word for that she said well she said she

5094
02:59:24,630 --> 02:59:19,760
heard it

5095
02:59:26,389 --> 02:59:24,640
crystal clear as any spoken word

5096
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:26,399
but she didn't hear it through her ears

5097
02:59:31,590 --> 02:59:28,399
so right that's kind of

5098
02:59:34,309 --> 02:59:31,600
that's the way i experienced it

5099
02:59:34,950 --> 02:59:34,319
i heard them in my head yeah not with my

5100
02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:34,960
ears

5101
02:59:40,230 --> 02:59:38,160
so right it's so hard to describe but

5102
02:59:40,870 --> 02:59:40,240
that's that's the best we can do right

5103
02:59:42,870 --> 02:59:40,880
like

5104
02:59:44,150 --> 02:59:42,880
i've never had anything happen before or

5105
02:59:47,269 --> 02:59:44,160
after that that is

5106
02:59:48,950 --> 02:59:47,279
is is that specific but man i it

5107
02:59:49,510 --> 02:59:48,960
resonates with me when when you speak

5108
02:59:51,990 --> 02:59:49,520
about those

5109
02:59:53,750 --> 02:59:52,000
those kinds of things because it's i

5110
02:59:57,750 --> 02:59:53,760
have a friend dr bruce solheim

5111
03:00:00,469 --> 02:59:57,760
um who's a phd he teaches uh history at

5112
03:00:02,150 --> 03:00:00,479
citrus college in glendora california

5113
03:00:03,590 --> 03:00:02,160
and uh

5114
03:00:06,630 --> 03:00:03,600
fascinating guy he was an army

5115
03:00:07,990 --> 03:00:06,640
helicopter pilot and got out and then

5116
03:00:10,469 --> 03:00:08,000
got a degree in history and then got a

5117
03:00:12,070 --> 03:00:10,479
phd and now he teaches history and

5118
03:00:14,710 --> 03:00:12,080
he's about my age he's about ready to

5119
03:00:15,349 --> 03:00:14,720
retire and he's been psychic as hell all

5120
03:00:18,230 --> 03:00:15,359
his life

5121
03:00:19,030 --> 03:00:18,240
i mean and his mother was extremely

5122
03:00:22,550 --> 03:00:19,040
psychic

5123
03:00:26,469 --> 03:00:22,560
and uh he um

5124
03:00:32,550 --> 03:00:29,830
he says all the time uh be the light

5125
03:00:33,590 --> 03:00:32,560
that's how he ends his correspondence be

5126
03:00:36,830 --> 03:00:33,600
the light

5127
03:00:38,150 --> 03:00:36,840
whoa dude are you serious i'm dead

5128
03:00:39,990 --> 03:00:38,160
serious

5129
03:00:41,990 --> 03:00:40,000
i give you his email you're welcome to

5130
03:00:42,309 --> 03:00:42,000
call him talk to him thanks for giving

5131
03:00:45,429 --> 03:00:42,319
me

5132
03:00:47,030 --> 03:00:45,439
freaking like pull the feathers out of

5133
03:00:50,150 --> 03:00:47,040
my damn turkey arm dude

5134
03:00:52,950 --> 03:00:50,160
damn be the light yep wow

5135
03:00:53,590 --> 03:00:52,960
dude yeah i it's it's interesting i i

5136
03:00:56,150 --> 03:00:53,600
talked to my

5137
03:00:56,950 --> 03:00:56,160
my uh older brother who's very uh

5138
03:00:59,750 --> 03:00:56,960
religious

5139
03:01:01,269 --> 03:00:59,760
bible loves i mean dude best guy you'll

5140
03:01:02,710 --> 03:01:01,279
ever meet but he's very

5141
03:01:05,190 --> 03:01:02,720
very adamant about you know what's in

5142
03:01:05,990 --> 03:01:05,200
the bible is it sure i i asked him hey

5143
03:01:07,190 --> 03:01:06,000
what do you think about

5144
03:01:10,070 --> 03:01:07,200
this because we love having these

5145
03:01:10,550 --> 03:01:10,080
conversations like about aliens and ufos

5146
03:01:13,750 --> 03:01:10,560
and

5147
03:01:16,150 --> 03:01:13,760
that not that they're in the same

5148
03:01:17,750 --> 03:01:16,160
uh genre but that's just the stuff we

5149
03:01:19,510 --> 03:01:17,760
like to talk about i mentioned the

5150
03:01:21,429 --> 03:01:19,520
light thing and he said man that's satan

5151
03:01:22,150 --> 03:01:21,439
you got a you got a spirit you got a

5152
03:01:24,230 --> 03:01:22,160
demon

5153
03:01:25,750 --> 03:01:24,240
attached to you that's a light you know

5154
03:01:29,429 --> 03:01:25,760
little light bringer is

5155
03:01:31,030 --> 03:01:29,439
is is this biblical term

5156
03:01:32,950 --> 03:01:31,040
would suppose i guess in the biblical

5157
03:01:34,309 --> 03:01:32,960
term like like satan is supposed to be

5158
03:01:37,590 --> 03:01:34,319
like the lightbringer well the

5159
03:01:39,670 --> 03:01:37,600
the the false light the false yeah okay

5160
03:01:41,269 --> 03:01:39,680
he's a light bearer but it's supposed to

5161
03:01:41,910 --> 03:01:41,279
be the false light yeah it's like it's

5162
03:01:43,910 --> 03:01:41,920
something

5163
03:01:45,429 --> 03:01:43,920
having having to do with with saturn

5164
03:01:47,670 --> 03:01:45,439
right like it's like this

5165
03:01:48,550 --> 03:01:47,680
false light or whatever satanist but i

5166
03:01:50,389 --> 03:01:48,560
felt i mean

5167
03:01:52,550 --> 03:01:50,399
my personal experience it did not seem

5168
03:01:53,429 --> 03:01:52,560
evil i don't know well you know i've

5169
03:01:56,710 --> 03:01:53,439
always thought of

5170
03:01:57,190 --> 03:01:56,720
the light as being warm and calm and

5171
03:01:59,429 --> 03:01:57,200
good

5172
03:02:00,469 --> 03:01:59,439
and uh the opposite of you know of

5173
03:02:03,190 --> 03:02:00,479
darkness

5174
03:02:05,429 --> 03:02:03,200
yeah right yeah oh i i just can't see

5175
03:02:07,429 --> 03:02:05,439
how light could be

5176
03:02:08,550 --> 03:02:07,439
negative i just don't see that yeah

5177
03:02:10,550 --> 03:02:08,560
maybe i'm getting the

5178
03:02:11,590 --> 03:02:10,560
you know i'm not quoting him exactly but

5179
03:02:13,670 --> 03:02:11,600
well no you you're

5180
03:02:14,870 --> 03:02:13,680
it it definitely does talk about that

5181
03:02:17,990 --> 03:02:14,880
the the

5182
03:02:22,550 --> 03:02:18,000
the false prophet there will be a false

5183
03:02:25,830 --> 03:02:22,560
light bringer uh you know that

5184
03:02:29,910 --> 03:02:25,840
lucifer is known as uh um

5185
03:02:30,550 --> 03:02:29,920
i forget what star it is i think it's oh

5186
03:02:33,269 --> 03:02:30,560
see is it

5187
03:02:34,389 --> 03:02:33,279
is it serious no no i forget what star

5188
03:02:36,710 --> 03:02:34,399
it is but they

5189
03:02:38,070 --> 03:02:36,720
they talk about being the the false

5190
03:02:41,349 --> 03:02:38,080
light satan is the

5191
03:02:41,670 --> 03:02:41,359
the false light but yeah there's so many

5192
03:02:43,910 --> 03:02:41,680
like

5193
03:02:46,389 --> 03:02:43,920
interpretations that you can take from

5194
03:02:48,389 --> 03:02:46,399
these scriptures that it's just like

5195
03:02:50,230 --> 03:02:48,399
it's it spins your head a little bit

5196
03:02:50,630 --> 03:02:50,240
it's all over the place no but i i think

5197
03:02:56,309 --> 03:02:50,640
that

5198
03:02:58,150 --> 03:02:56,319
yeah uh you know like samantha had

5199
03:02:59,990 --> 03:02:58,160
talked about this like

5200
03:03:02,550 --> 03:03:00,000
how do you feel when you have these

5201
03:03:07,030 --> 03:03:02,560
experiences do you have a negative

5202
03:03:10,070 --> 03:03:07,040
uh emotion emotional reaction to it or

5203
03:03:11,990 --> 03:03:10,080
do you have a warm positive feeling

5204
03:03:13,670 --> 03:03:12,000
now even if you have a warm positive

5205
03:03:16,469 --> 03:03:13,680
feeling it doesn't mean that

5206
03:03:17,110 --> 03:03:16,479
you're not going to be freaked out right

5207
03:03:20,070 --> 03:03:17,120
but

5208
03:03:21,110 --> 03:03:20,080
does the does the emotional connection

5209
03:03:25,110 --> 03:03:21,120
or your gut

5210
03:03:28,389 --> 03:03:25,120
give you a negative or or a positive

5211
03:03:29,429 --> 03:03:28,399
energy you know i'd ask you seems pretty

5212
03:03:31,510 --> 03:03:29,439
positive it does seem

5213
03:03:33,190 --> 03:03:31,520
pretty positive i almost like to like to

5214
03:03:35,429 --> 03:03:33,200
deflect it back to terry like

5215
03:03:36,870 --> 03:03:35,439
dude in your experience did it always

5216
03:03:39,590 --> 03:03:36,880
feel positive

5217
03:03:39,990 --> 03:03:39,600
did it always feel negative or was there

5218
03:03:42,950 --> 03:03:40,000
certain

5219
03:03:43,269 --> 03:03:42,960
times that it's somewhere in between you

5220
03:03:45,269 --> 03:03:43,279
know

5221
03:03:46,870 --> 03:03:45,279
you may talk about the experiences as a

5222
03:03:50,230 --> 03:03:46,880
whole taken as a whole

5223
03:03:53,670 --> 03:03:50,240
yeah in the totality of the thing

5224
03:03:57,750 --> 03:03:53,680
yeah when you were taken by

5225
03:04:00,230 --> 03:03:57,760
yeah my you know my attitude has changed

5226
03:04:01,990 --> 03:04:00,240
you know 1977 obviously i was hurt i was

5227
03:04:05,269 --> 03:04:02,000
burned and uh

5228
03:04:08,469 --> 03:04:05,279
traumatized and uh you know

5229
03:04:13,190 --> 03:04:08,479
suffered some ptsd suffered some pain

5230
03:04:15,110 --> 03:04:13,200
um and i was pretty angry about that

5231
03:04:16,710 --> 03:04:15,120
and but you know my attitude has kind of

5232
03:04:18,790 --> 03:04:16,720
softened over the years

5233
03:04:20,150 --> 03:04:18,800
and i think you know gee if they really

5234
03:04:22,150 --> 03:04:20,160
wanted to hurt me they could have hurt

5235
03:04:23,510 --> 03:04:22,160
me badly if they wanted to they could

5236
03:04:25,030 --> 03:04:23,520
have killed me they could have took me

5237
03:04:27,110 --> 03:04:25,040
someplace uh you know they could have

5238
03:04:28,150 --> 03:04:27,120
done all kinds of bad negative things to

5239
03:04:31,269 --> 03:04:28,160
me

5240
03:04:33,110 --> 03:04:31,279
with the porcelain table

5241
03:04:34,950 --> 03:04:33,120
and you know did something in my lower

5242
03:04:37,590 --> 03:04:34,960
back that hurt like hell

5243
03:04:38,389 --> 03:04:37,600
um when i walked in when they when i

5244
03:04:41,349 --> 03:04:38,399
didn't walk in

5245
03:04:43,429 --> 03:04:41,359
i was carried in that the room had a

5246
03:04:46,630 --> 03:04:43,439
definite clinical vibe to it

5247
03:04:48,230 --> 03:04:46,640
you know it felt medical feel like a

5248
03:04:51,349 --> 03:04:48,240
torture chamber

5249
03:04:52,710 --> 03:04:51,359
and this this the insectoid thing that

5250
03:04:54,870 --> 03:04:52,720
hurt my back

5251
03:04:56,070 --> 03:04:54,880
uh i always picture him wearing a white

5252
03:05:00,469 --> 03:04:56,080
lab coat

5253
03:05:03,269 --> 03:05:00,479
i i think that that's

5254
03:05:04,710 --> 03:05:03,279
the mental projection that i have of him

5255
03:05:06,389 --> 03:05:04,720
right yeah

5256
03:05:08,550 --> 03:05:06,399
and you know i think if i could sit down

5257
03:05:10,630 --> 03:05:08,560
and um have a beer with him today

5258
03:05:11,830 --> 03:05:10,640
i think he his attitude would be hey man

5259
03:05:14,870 --> 03:05:11,840
just doing my job

5260
03:05:16,309 --> 03:05:14,880
you know no hard feelings yes yeah

5261
03:05:18,550 --> 03:05:16,319
so that's kind of that's kind of the

5262
03:05:19,590 --> 03:05:18,560
vibe that i get i mean that's not to say

5263
03:05:21,429 --> 03:05:19,600
i'm sure there aren't

5264
03:05:22,710 --> 03:05:21,439
pure evil aliens out there there

5265
03:05:26,309 --> 03:05:22,720
probably are

5266
03:05:29,349 --> 03:05:26,319
um the ones i ran into weren't uh

5267
03:05:31,190 --> 03:05:29,359
weren't benevolent uh maybe maybe they

5268
03:05:31,990 --> 03:05:31,200
were you know they changed my life but i

5269
03:05:35,269 --> 03:05:32,000
mean

5270
03:05:37,990 --> 03:05:35,279
they increased my uh intuition let's say

5271
03:05:39,670 --> 03:05:38,000
you know i won't say that would never

5272
03:05:40,550 --> 03:05:39,680
say that i'm psychic i wouldn't go that

5273
03:05:43,269 --> 03:05:40,560
far

5274
03:05:45,030 --> 03:05:43,279
but my uh my gut will steer me right in

5275
03:05:46,150 --> 03:05:45,040
the right direction that's come in handy

5276
03:05:47,910 --> 03:05:46,160
in life

5277
03:05:50,550 --> 03:05:47,920
and maybe that's a gift that they gave

5278
03:05:52,950 --> 03:05:50,560
me compensation prize i don't know

5279
03:05:54,309 --> 03:05:52,960
yeah there's so there's two things that

5280
03:05:56,950 --> 03:05:54,319
we discussed about that

5281
03:05:58,710 --> 03:05:56,960
one is right without the destruction you

5282
03:06:02,150 --> 03:05:58,720
can't have this rebirth

5283
03:06:03,510 --> 03:06:02,160
so maybe the the the scary beginning

5284
03:06:07,269 --> 03:06:03,520
part of that

5285
03:06:11,030 --> 03:06:07,279
is your your trial to the rebirth

5286
03:06:13,110 --> 03:06:11,040
to you kind of changing your attitude

5287
03:06:15,910 --> 03:06:13,120
about the whole thing and then the

5288
03:06:19,030 --> 03:06:15,920
second one is

5289
03:06:21,349 --> 03:06:19,040
maybe it's also an upgrade to that

5290
03:06:23,910 --> 03:06:21,359
software that we were talking about

5291
03:06:25,990 --> 03:06:23,920
the human software the hardware is is is

5292
03:06:28,550 --> 03:06:26,000
not the problem it's the software

5293
03:06:29,990 --> 03:06:28,560
it is possibly they upgraded your

5294
03:06:31,670 --> 03:06:30,000
software

5295
03:06:33,590 --> 03:06:31,680
a little bit yeah you're you got a

5296
03:06:38,550 --> 03:06:33,600
you've downloaded the new version of

5297
03:06:41,349 --> 03:06:38,560
mac oi osx you're running on a

5298
03:06:41,990 --> 03:06:41,359
one of those uh old uh was like

5299
03:06:45,190 --> 03:06:42,000
different colors

5300
03:06:47,110 --> 03:06:45,200
like green and orange and pink and [\h__\h]

5301
03:06:48,389 --> 03:06:47,120
remember i remember yeah you couldn't

5302
03:06:50,710 --> 03:06:48,399
run on windows because you would have to

5303
03:06:52,550 --> 03:06:50,720
update every day

5304
03:06:53,750 --> 03:06:52,560
i think i i think i was upgraded to the

5305
03:06:57,349 --> 03:06:53,760
new ios x

5306
03:07:01,670 --> 03:06:57,359
uh ios yeah and but i but my my hardware

5307
03:07:05,190 --> 03:07:03,670
i i got one of each i bought an apple

5308
03:07:07,030 --> 03:07:05,200
because i thought it'd be more intuitive

5309
03:07:10,150 --> 03:07:07,040
and easier to use and it's not

5310
03:07:11,030 --> 03:07:10,160
oh i'm a windows guy youtube windows

5311
03:07:13,750 --> 03:07:11,040
guys can have

5312
03:07:15,510 --> 03:07:13,760
your own chat yeah you guys i think my

5313
03:07:16,630 --> 03:07:15,520
problem is with technology in general

5314
03:07:19,429 --> 03:07:16,640
not with apple and

5315
03:07:20,790 --> 03:07:19,439
specific but well see you've seen you've

5316
03:07:22,630 --> 03:07:20,800
seen the other side of it the better

5317
03:07:25,269 --> 03:07:22,640
side of like telepathy you know gets

5318
03:07:26,070 --> 03:07:25,279
[\h__\h] done like you know you get what i

5319
03:07:27,830 --> 03:07:26,080
mean

5320
03:07:30,070 --> 03:07:27,840
what are you telling that to a to it to

5321
03:07:31,190 --> 03:07:30,080
a a computer like yeah just do it on

5322
03:07:33,750 --> 03:07:31,200
what i want just

5323
03:07:34,550 --> 03:07:33,760
read my mind once you've seen that it's

5324
03:07:36,630 --> 03:07:34,560
kind of hard to

5325
03:07:38,630 --> 03:07:36,640
backtrack a little bit like trying to go

5326
03:07:41,830 --> 03:07:38,640
back going back to a razor cell phone

5327
03:07:45,830 --> 03:07:43,990
i had lots of opportunities over the

5328
03:07:47,269 --> 03:07:45,840
years i had secretaries who offered to

5329
03:07:49,429 --> 03:07:47,279
let me show you how to do that

5330
03:07:50,790 --> 03:07:49,439
and i'm like you know no i don't want to

5331
03:07:53,030 --> 03:07:50,800
know that's what that's what they pay

5332
03:07:56,469 --> 03:07:53,040
you for it's your job right you know

5333
03:07:57,990 --> 03:07:56,479
and uh you know that that was not the

5334
03:07:59,830 --> 03:07:58,000
right attitude i should have been

5335
03:08:01,190 --> 03:07:59,840
open and uh i could have probably

5336
03:08:03,269 --> 03:08:01,200
learned a lot and been a lot more

5337
03:08:05,590 --> 03:08:03,279
comfortable with technology today had i

5338
03:08:07,349 --> 03:08:05,600
been open to that

5339
03:08:08,870 --> 03:08:07,359
but at the time i didn't see it as my

5340
03:08:11,830 --> 03:08:08,880
job i saw my job you know

5341
03:08:13,830 --> 03:08:11,840
in the courtroom or or you know

5342
03:08:15,429 --> 03:08:13,840
somewhere else i didn't see that as i

5343
03:08:17,510 --> 03:08:15,439
saw that as clerical

5344
03:08:19,750 --> 03:08:17,520
and um yeah but there's a huge

5345
03:08:22,110 --> 03:08:19,760
difference

5346
03:08:24,870 --> 03:08:22,120
it's not it's not like uh you know in

5347
03:08:26,630 --> 03:08:24,880
1970 when people were using an ibm's

5348
03:08:27,750 --> 03:08:26,640
electric typewriter and anybody could

5349
03:08:29,429 --> 03:08:27,760
learn how to type

5350
03:08:31,110 --> 03:08:29,439
yeah this is a whole different animal

5351
03:08:34,469 --> 03:08:31,120
this is technology

5352
03:08:35,670 --> 03:08:34,479
yeah yeah patrice o'neil has a great bit

5353
03:08:37,910 --> 03:08:35,680
where he talks about

5354
03:08:40,070 --> 03:08:37,920
how when he was younger he was like man

5355
03:08:42,469 --> 03:08:40,080
i used to always see these dudes

5356
03:08:44,150 --> 03:08:42,479
and they would be going to typing class

5357
03:08:45,670 --> 03:08:44,160
and i would always make fun of them

5358
03:08:47,269 --> 03:08:45,680
and talk about how gay they were for

5359
03:08:50,550 --> 03:08:47,279
going to typing class

5360
03:08:51,510 --> 03:08:50,560
and now i'm a grown ass man and i can't

5361
03:08:55,910 --> 03:08:51,520
type

5362
03:08:57,910 --> 03:08:55,920
they all make fun of me because i don't

5363
03:08:59,670 --> 03:08:57,920
know how to type

5364
03:09:04,630 --> 03:08:59,680
it's kind of that whole thing like it's

5365
03:09:09,190 --> 03:09:07,110
that your life would revolve around a

5366
03:09:12,150 --> 03:09:09,200
keyboard and technology

5367
03:09:13,510 --> 03:09:12,160
who would have thunk it no kidding right

5368
03:09:16,550 --> 03:09:13,520
right man

5369
03:09:17,510 --> 03:09:16,560
oh man dude i cannot believe we have hit

5370
03:09:19,750 --> 03:09:17,520
this three-hour

5371
03:09:21,190 --> 03:09:19,760
i know seriously yeah insane that's

5372
03:09:26,070 --> 03:09:21,200
incredible are we at that

5373
03:09:28,550 --> 03:09:26,080
oh my god we are past my bedtime

5374
03:09:30,070 --> 03:09:28,560
terry man before we end this dude i want

5375
03:09:32,150 --> 03:09:30,080
you to just uh

5376
03:09:34,710 --> 03:09:32,160
let everybody know where they can get

5377
03:09:37,349 --> 03:09:34,720
your book and how they can contact you

5378
03:09:37,990 --> 03:09:37,359
if they have any questions anything like

5379
03:09:39,990 --> 03:09:38,000
that just

5380
03:09:41,429 --> 03:09:40,000
you know plug yourself man this is this

5381
03:09:43,670 --> 03:09:41,439
is your your time

5382
03:09:45,349 --> 03:09:43,680
all right i'm into it i can do that yeah

5383
03:10:36,630 --> 03:09:45,359
if you want to see some cool pictures

5384
03:10:40,389 --> 03:10:38,070
these stories that i got from other

5385
03:10:42,309 --> 03:10:40,399
people there we go yes

5386
03:10:44,229 --> 03:10:42,319
uh i'm in the process of making that an

5387
03:10:45,590 --> 03:10:44,239
audio book there'd be an audio book now

5388
03:10:47,670 --> 03:10:45,600
but the uh

5389
03:10:49,830 --> 03:10:47,680
the studio was off limits because of

5390
03:10:50,950 --> 03:10:49,840
covid they they shut it down so i

5391
03:10:52,790 --> 03:10:50,960
couldn't get in there to

5392
03:10:54,070 --> 03:10:52,800
get the sound booth tonight that you did

5393
03:10:55,990 --> 03:10:54,080
the first book and you

5394
03:10:57,190 --> 03:10:56,000
read the audiobook man i freaking love

5395
03:11:00,710 --> 03:10:57,200
that you did that

5396
03:11:03,830 --> 03:11:00,720
yeah yeah i mean i also love that when i

5397
03:11:04,550 --> 03:11:03,840
read when i'm reading i'm reading it in

5398
03:11:08,790 --> 03:11:04,560
your voice

5399
03:11:11,190 --> 03:11:08,800
yes yes

5400
03:11:12,550 --> 03:11:11,200
dude and the dude you're so you're such

5401
03:11:15,590 --> 03:11:12,560
a good writer because

5402
03:11:16,389 --> 03:11:15,600
it there's there's so much humor in the

5403
03:11:19,910 --> 03:11:16,399
book too

5404
03:11:22,550 --> 03:11:19,920
you know it's like it's like a

5405
03:11:23,990 --> 03:11:22,560
an obvious dry humor but it's it's so

5406
03:11:26,790 --> 03:11:24,000
funny dude like

5407
03:11:27,750 --> 03:11:26,800
it's very it's comical as well as

5408
03:11:31,590 --> 03:11:27,760
informational

5409
03:11:34,070 --> 03:11:31,600
and i mean the valleys of emotion

5410
03:11:36,630 --> 03:11:34,080
that are in the book you're happy you're

5411
03:11:39,429 --> 03:11:36,640
sad you're kind of freaked out

5412
03:11:41,349 --> 03:11:39,439
then it's funny and dude it's just it's

5413
03:11:43,389 --> 03:11:41,359
it's such an awesome book man

5414
03:11:45,750 --> 03:11:43,399
you did such a good job and and

5415
03:11:47,030 --> 03:11:45,760
congratulations on all of your success

5416
03:11:49,910 --> 03:11:47,040
with this man i mean

5417
03:11:50,469 --> 03:11:49,920
well deserved absolutely well deserved

5418
03:11:52,070 --> 03:11:50,479
yeah

5419
03:11:53,910 --> 03:11:52,080
i really appreciate that i appreciate

5420
03:11:55,670 --> 03:11:53,920
you having me back on i i and

5421
03:11:57,429 --> 03:11:55,680
every time every time i'm with you guys

5422
03:11:59,590 --> 03:11:57,439
i always have a good time so

5423
03:12:00,550 --> 03:11:59,600
it's good i want to get uh conferences

5424
03:12:03,670 --> 03:12:00,560
up and running again

5425
03:12:05,349 --> 03:12:03,680
i know man yes i know me too me too well

5426
03:12:06,710 --> 03:12:05,359
i mean this this obviously isn't going

5427
03:12:09,670 --> 03:12:06,720
to be the last time that

5428
03:12:11,190 --> 03:12:09,680
that you're on the show and uh uh you

5429
03:12:12,389 --> 03:12:11,200
might be working on this project we're

5430
03:12:14,630 --> 03:12:12,399
working on with us too

5431
03:12:15,590 --> 03:12:14,640
so yep so we'll get in we're gonna see

5432
03:12:18,070 --> 03:12:15,600
you soon

5433
03:12:18,870 --> 03:12:18,080
yeah with the documentary i know more

5434
03:12:20,469 --> 03:12:18,880
yeah i know i

5435
03:12:22,070 --> 03:12:20,479
might i've mentioned the the documentary

5436
03:12:23,670 --> 03:12:22,080
you're working on dude man it would be

5437
03:12:25,269 --> 03:12:23,680
awesome to have you in it dude

5438
03:12:27,269 --> 03:12:25,279
it would be great oh i'd love to

5439
03:12:28,469 --> 03:12:27,279
participate thank you yeah

5440
03:12:29,830 --> 03:12:28,479
that would be good stuff so we'll

5441
03:12:30,630 --> 03:12:29,840
definitely keep in touch with you

5442
03:12:34,550 --> 03:12:30,640
probably

5443
03:12:37,110 --> 03:12:34,560
get some dates together for you

5444
03:12:38,710 --> 03:12:37,120
and get that all set up hell yeah yeah

5445
03:12:39,910 --> 03:12:38,720
i'll be around you guys are just around

5446
03:12:43,110 --> 03:12:39,920
the corner from me yeah

5447
03:12:46,790 --> 03:12:43,120
yep exactly exactly all right

5448
03:12:47,349 --> 03:12:46,800
well terryman one has been absolutely

5449
03:12:48,790 --> 03:12:47,359
awesome

5450
03:12:51,510 --> 03:12:48,800
thank you for coming on and hanging out

5451
03:12:54,630 --> 03:12:51,520
with us dude i appreciate it very much

5452
03:12:55,910 --> 03:12:54,640
and uh yeah nice to have a chance to

5453
03:12:56,630 --> 03:12:55,920
talk to your awesome audience i

5454
03:12:58,790 --> 03:12:56,640
appreciate it

5455
03:13:00,630 --> 03:12:58,800
hey yeah they do too man receiving a lot

5456
03:13:02,790 --> 03:13:00,640
of love and man people love you man

5457
03:13:04,469 --> 03:13:02,800
so yeah anytime you want to come back on

5458
03:13:05,429 --> 03:13:04,479
i mean we'll be talking soon so

5459
03:13:07,190 --> 03:13:05,439
we'll figure it out yeah we got each

5460
03:13:07,990 --> 03:13:07,200
other's email we'll be in touch we got

5461
03:13:10,550 --> 03:13:08,000
it

5462
03:13:11,349 --> 03:13:10,560
cool man all right good night talk to

5463
03:13:15,030 --> 03:13:11,359
you all

5464
03:13:18,950 --> 03:13:15,040
all right brother peace bye

5465
03:13:22,070 --> 03:13:18,960
i mean yeah yeah dude

5466
03:13:24,070 --> 03:13:22,080
sick yeah dude hey yeah

5467
03:13:25,750 --> 03:13:24,080
terry's awesome dude let's give some

5468
03:13:28,510 --> 03:13:25,760
shout outs to all the people

5469
03:13:38,469 --> 03:13:28,520
in the chat room

5470
03:13:54,830 --> 03:13:40,830
and especially when they're by

5471
03:13:59,910 --> 03:13:57,830
yes cloudy with a chance of ufos

5472
03:14:01,510 --> 03:13:59,920
uh i mean clyde with the chance of ufos

5473
03:14:03,830 --> 03:14:01,520
has been with us since the beginning

5474
03:14:04,710 --> 03:14:03,840
and has been keeping the chat alive

5475
03:14:07,510 --> 03:14:04,720
might i had

5476
03:14:08,229 --> 03:14:07,520
yes uh so thanks for all of your awesome

5477
03:14:09,910 --> 03:14:08,239
i mean

5478
03:14:11,750 --> 03:14:09,920
i wish that i could dump like

5479
03:14:13,590 --> 03:14:11,760
multitasking because so many good

5480
03:14:14,229 --> 03:14:13,600
questions everybody not not just cloudy

5481
03:14:15,830 --> 03:14:14,239
but

5482
03:14:17,429 --> 03:14:15,840
everybody had such good questions just

5483
03:14:19,910 --> 03:14:17,439
know we apologize

5484
03:14:20,630 --> 03:14:19,920
that we didn't get your questions uh

5485
03:14:23,030 --> 03:14:20,640
it's it's

5486
03:14:23,990 --> 03:14:23,040
like i said it's our first time thank

5487
03:14:25,590 --> 03:14:24,000
you for having

5488
03:14:27,269 --> 03:14:25,600
the questions it's our first time as we

5489
03:14:28,229 --> 03:14:27,279
get better be gentle we're gonna be able

5490
03:14:31,190 --> 03:14:28,239
to

5491
03:14:31,910 --> 03:14:31,200
do that a lot better man uh hey a class

5492
03:14:35,590 --> 03:14:31,920
favorite

5493
03:14:38,710 --> 03:14:35,600
william kidd william the kid

5494
03:14:40,870 --> 03:14:38,720
yeah hey and our man louis

5495
03:14:41,750 --> 03:14:40,880
is uh in the chat hey i hope you've been

5496
03:14:43,750 --> 03:14:41,760
enjoying those uh

5497
03:14:44,870 --> 03:14:43,760
those hollywood videos i i sent you the

5498
03:14:49,670 --> 03:14:44,880
other day

5499
03:15:05,190 --> 03:14:49,680
oh yeah dude sovereign cosmic wild man

5500
03:15:11,510 --> 03:15:09,190
uh tammy tammy yeah tammy flynn again

5501
03:15:13,269 --> 03:15:11,520
i mean yeah thanks for hanging out and

5502
03:15:13,830 --> 03:15:13,279
uh posing some really challenging

5503
03:15:17,030 --> 03:15:13,840
questions

5504
03:15:20,070 --> 03:15:17,040
and sharing a lot of your uh

5505
03:15:21,429 --> 03:15:20,080
experiences and stuff tonight man i wish

5506
03:15:23,510 --> 03:15:21,439
we need to get you on the show too it

5507
03:15:26,070 --> 03:15:23,520
sounds like everybody

5508
03:15:28,070 --> 03:15:26,080
i mean geez everybody here has like got

5509
03:15:39,490 --> 03:15:28,080
an amazing story so

5510
03:15:39,500 --> 03:15:47,030
[Music]

5511
03:15:50,469 --> 03:15:48,870
email you but we'd love to have you on

5512
03:15:52,389 --> 03:15:50,479
like in like two weeks or something

5513
03:15:57,190 --> 03:15:52,399
like like two weeks that'd be awesome

5514
03:16:03,190 --> 03:16:00,710
uh hey look over there what's up

5515
03:16:04,630 --> 03:16:03,200
he said buy silver and that's that's uh

5516
03:16:05,670 --> 03:16:04,640
that's probably a good idea oh i love

5517
03:16:06,070 --> 03:16:05,680
that that's what we remember that for

5518
03:16:08,070 --> 03:16:06,080
sure

5519
03:16:10,630 --> 03:16:08,080
no that's what we were talking about uh

5520
03:16:13,590 --> 03:16:10,640
uh like currency and [\h__\h] right

5521
03:16:21,590 --> 03:16:13,600
that was cool yeah we we talked about

5522
03:16:24,870 --> 03:16:23,750
that was awesome you know like i i feel

5523
03:16:28,150 --> 03:16:24,880
like we um

5524
03:16:33,190 --> 03:16:28,160
hey pickles in here

5525
03:16:42,830 --> 03:16:37,150
oh nice australia i think is is where uh

5526
03:16:49,110 --> 03:16:44,389
um

5527
03:16:54,469 --> 03:16:52,309
thurston what's up maria

5528
03:16:55,910 --> 03:16:54,479
oh maria allen asked the question uh

5529
03:16:59,110 --> 03:16:55,920
about being a starseed

5530
03:17:01,269 --> 03:16:59,120
and i you did

5531
03:17:02,950 --> 03:17:01,279
i did ask okay quick i don't think i

5532
03:17:05,030 --> 03:17:02,960
gave her credit though because that's

5533
03:17:06,389 --> 03:17:05,040
she totally sparked that uh that

5534
03:17:08,790 --> 03:17:06,399
question

5535
03:17:11,030 --> 03:17:08,800
what's up smoking joe oh that's what's

5536
03:17:14,469 --> 03:17:11,040
up that's kind of like me dude

5537
03:17:19,030 --> 03:17:17,269
and i'm i'm smoking some ribs on

5538
03:17:22,550 --> 03:17:19,040
saturday

5539
03:17:25,510 --> 03:17:22,560
and um in some bowls how dare you and

5540
03:17:28,389 --> 03:17:25,520
i'm smoking hot

5541
03:17:29,030 --> 03:17:28,399
i mean the ladies will agree i'm coming

5542
03:17:30,469 --> 03:17:29,040
i'm dude

5543
03:17:32,309 --> 03:17:30,479
are you really doing are you doing ribs

5544
03:17:35,349 --> 03:17:32,319
on saturday i'm smoking ribs

5545
03:17:37,830 --> 03:17:35,359
dude i might get a track tip

5546
03:17:39,030 --> 03:17:37,840
i don't know yet i might uh i'm probably

5547
03:17:40,870 --> 03:17:39,040
gonna get some chicken

5548
03:17:42,469 --> 03:17:40,880
yeah i'm gonna do some jalapeno poppers

5549
03:17:44,469 --> 03:17:42,479
oh uh

5550
03:17:46,070 --> 03:17:44,479
i'm probably gonna throw some corn on

5551
03:17:49,110 --> 03:17:46,080
there

5552
03:17:53,510 --> 03:17:49,120
yeah dude i don't know yet

5553
03:17:55,110 --> 03:17:53,520
i might do some pork loins oh

5554
03:17:57,110 --> 03:17:55,120
i don't know if i have the money that's

5555
03:17:58,790 --> 03:17:57,120
a lot but do you have a big enough girl

5556
03:18:01,110 --> 03:17:58,800
for all that all that meat

5557
03:18:03,190 --> 03:18:01,120
no no but i'm gonna do it in phases some

5558
03:18:05,670 --> 03:18:03,200
things take longer than others so i'm

5559
03:18:06,070 --> 03:18:05,680
gonna start the ribs and get that going

5560
03:18:07,910 --> 03:18:06,080
and

5561
03:18:10,950 --> 03:18:07,920
slowly throw on some other things i

5562
03:18:13,990 --> 03:18:10,960
might do a couple steaks

5563
03:18:17,190 --> 03:18:14,000
that's dude that's a lot of meat

5564
03:18:18,870 --> 03:18:17,200
pork loin steaks ribs i mean dude

5565
03:18:20,150 --> 03:18:18,880
there's gonna be like at least four of

5566
03:18:22,870 --> 03:18:20,160
us there dude

5567
03:18:24,309 --> 03:18:22,880
dude i mean you're the only person i

5568
03:18:25,910 --> 03:18:24,319
hang out with right now so i'm not

5569
03:18:26,309 --> 03:18:25,920
inviting anybody i'm gonna get as much

5570
03:18:29,830 --> 03:18:26,319
this

5571
03:18:32,070 --> 03:18:29,840
is that food as poss homie

5572
03:18:34,070 --> 03:18:32,080
is gonna be there oh almost he did

5573
03:18:36,469 --> 03:18:34,080
what's up

5574
03:18:37,830 --> 03:18:36,479
young josh will be there dude oh my god

5575
03:18:40,550 --> 03:18:37,840
i haven't seen him in a long time

5576
03:18:41,190 --> 03:18:40,560
long after he's gonna be there oh that's

5577
03:18:44,309 --> 03:18:41,200
right he does

5578
03:18:44,790 --> 03:18:44,319
he's uh he's got a dude that's awesome

5579
03:18:47,670 --> 03:18:44,800
man

5580
03:18:48,229 --> 03:18:47,680
yeah he's he's always uh you know flying

5581
03:18:50,950 --> 03:18:48,239
solo

5582
03:18:51,349 --> 03:18:50,960
so i'm just i'm yeah we're all growing

5583
03:18:54,309 --> 03:18:51,359
up

5584
03:18:56,389 --> 03:18:54,319
who knew yeah it's gonna be nice it can

5585
03:18:59,910 --> 03:18:56,399
be really cool

5586
03:19:02,070 --> 03:18:59,920
all right well um let's see oh

5587
03:19:03,590 --> 03:19:02,080
cloudy with a chance of ufo said my

5588
03:19:05,910 --> 03:19:03,600
mouth is watering

5589
03:19:07,830 --> 03:19:05,920
i'm [\h__\h] starving i'm really hungry

5590
03:19:09,830 --> 03:19:07,840
i'm going to go to whataburger

5591
03:19:11,670 --> 03:19:09,840
burgers i mean not when you're going to

5592
03:19:12,790 --> 03:19:11,680
have the barbecue i mean like tonight i

5593
03:19:14,550 --> 03:19:12,800
was going to say you better not go to

5594
03:19:16,469 --> 03:19:14,560
whataburger before the barbecue

5595
03:19:19,349 --> 03:19:16,479
sorry dude i'm so full i know you

5596
03:19:22,710 --> 03:19:19,359
invited me we're like i just ate

5597
03:19:25,030 --> 03:19:22,720
we get the [\h__\h] out you have to eat

5598
03:19:25,830 --> 03:19:25,040
you have to eat or you got to leave what

5599
03:19:29,510 --> 03:19:25,840
do they do

5600
03:19:32,070 --> 03:19:29,520
well i'll probably eat oh yeah yeah man

5601
03:19:33,990 --> 03:19:32,080
hey if we missed you in the chat we

5602
03:19:36,950 --> 03:19:34,000
missed your name it wasn't on purpose

5603
03:19:38,309 --> 03:19:36,960
yeah we were dummies okay yeah we're i'm

5604
03:19:39,670 --> 03:19:38,319
running on linux i'm pretty sure i

5605
03:19:42,870 --> 03:19:39,680
spilled linux wrong

5606
03:19:46,469 --> 03:19:42,880
did you i did ux i don't know

5607
03:19:49,910 --> 03:19:46,479
linux is it linux or linux

5608
03:19:52,630 --> 03:19:49,920
linux i thought that was a uh

5609
03:19:56,150 --> 03:19:52,640
like an air conditioning unit but it's

5610
03:19:59,510 --> 03:19:56,160
also an operating system i think

5611
03:20:02,630 --> 03:19:59,520
no i spelled it right yeah l i n

5612
03:20:03,190 --> 03:20:02,640
heck yeah dude freaking smart man that's

5613
03:20:07,190 --> 03:20:03,200
what's up

5614
03:20:10,070 --> 03:20:07,200
sheesh man

5615
03:20:10,550 --> 03:20:10,080
let's do uh let's do the little heming

5616
03:20:14,650 --> 03:20:10,560
show

5617
03:20:42,790 --> 03:20:14,660
oh we got the music

5618
03:20:44,860 --> 03:20:42,800
[Music]

5619
03:20:46,710 --> 03:20:44,870
[Applause]

5620
03:20:52,309 --> 03:20:46,720
[Music]